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Started by commonsense1968, Sep 20, 05:09 PM 2010

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XXVV

Its a bit like the matrix work, its a bit fuzzy sometimes, it seems to be in the nature of things that what we observe as developing expressions of natural phenomena, such as sequences of numbers, our lives, 'natural selection', tectonic plate theory ( continental drift), occurs sometimes in slow steady increments - plate movement of continents is at the same rate as our fingernail growth ( if as a roulette player you have fingernails left that is).

However that's the average,

Like they say with the Alps - north or south hemisphere - growth upward is 8mm per year - but reality is it can be very very slow for a thousand years then jolts upward 30m in one event.

Averages in science and in roulette are misleading. Reality ( at our living time frame) is different. That is why playing a patient game in roulette can be rewarding, just as also the opportunist.

So sometimes we see a massive shift, a massive opportunity, at other times its can be slow and hard fighting the tide against us.

Sometimes things come into sharp and clear focus. Grab the event.

Opportunities need to be sighted and acted upon immediately!

Carpe Diem!

Sometimes it can be a slow drift, or worse an adverse tide. Get out when recognised. Climb back later.

Reality is in physical terms a combination of quantum theory ( or equivalents) and relativity theory ( or equivalents) as well as others as yet not understood  and at different scales or levels of detail each ( or several ) may apply.

What I am tring to say is the samples of 100 with sharp cut off are a brutal tough test.

Reality is that during the 100 spins there will be opportunities for take-outs ( like islands rising above the seas), and with each method we should know the  most usual parameters of likely success - so when for example we are offered +10 after 30 spins, we gladly take it, because over the following 70 spins the results may oscillate down to +3 at the end.

Currently reflecting carefully on the realistic expectations of first tier betting and how best to combine and use these. EC betting is in quantum units. Dozens and Cols can be very much to our advanatge if harnessed at 2-1 or even better if multiplied in combination. However odds on betting can cause grief with a set of losses at 2 units and recovery gains at single units ( if flat staking).

So caution is the overview at this stage of research.

Big EZ

I really enjoy reading your posts.

Keep up the good work, its seems as if you are on the right track my friend  :thumbsup:
Quitting while your ahead is not the same as quitting

XXVV

Thanks BigEZ

Some of the thoughts on the previous post were activated by an interview I heard with Richard Dawkins the big selling Biologist, and a scientist friend of mine who readily admits some science struggles to provide answers and 'papers over the cracks'.

The proof is in the testing, and it pays to keep the mind open to any possibilities and to take advantage of results that just dont fit with your previous understandings.

It is a real pain, but actually its a gift from Life.

So, taking the microscope down to our universe of roulette what can we see that we can use as reliable tools at this time - I think the answers will vary with time.

All methods here are subject to further refinement and development as that seems to be the Lesson from the LifePower's 'natural selection' process ( so much more than random chance).

- There is no finishing point - I like the principle where there is no limit, no end, no wall, and we can improve and improve. This applies of course to us because all methods are interactive between the Game ( which is its own universe) - the method to read and interpret the Game and provide the tools to utilise for our benefit - and us ( our universe ) - the latter two are limitless in development and ability to more and more effectively tune/ resonate with the Game. Our results of course vary with time and our ability to better understand the Game. This should be an uptrending set of experiences.

So at the moment here is my arsenal of methodologies ( in no particular order of preference):

First Tier and Second Tier Overlap

ROBE/ BORE take advantage of the 20:16 ratio and play for a ROBE double
                    play for runs of ROBE and BORE
                    await an imbalance in previous say 22 or 37 spins and play individually
                    apply to the pppcbet with overlay bets on zero and sixline (NLB)- in progress.

First Tier

EC Bets        take advantage of short term imbalances and trends and create rules and terms
                    for taking suitable profit. Suggest Goal +5 and Stop Loss -3

                    singles + doubles + runs  in both sequential and penultimate betting cycles

                    goal +3 or +4 spread over 3 varaiations - mini session goal +11

                    there is some debate about when to take advantage of a run - I now believe
                    start at the very beginning and play both options.

Dozens +
Columns      dominant two ( dozens and/or columns) cluster - goal +5 onwards for each.

                    trigger and same outcome ( as opposed to change) for columns - goal +3

                    Eggleston Bet application to dozens (and possibly columns) - goal +5

In these examples  a mini session max I have arbitralily defined as 50 spins, and some can be achieved in 10 spins. All need a stop loss in the event of an adverse sequence. Short stop loss at -3. Switch to those options that are performing as per expectations.

All bets are flat.

Two or three methods can be monitored at the same time even using a rapid spin format.

Goal : +11 units per mini session. Over a week of play compound the results and increase unit value. After several weeks play allow 30% profit to go into second tier higher risk/ reward betting. Invest the 70% elsewhere.

There are other methods- some will remain private.

Hope this helps. XX V V
                   


XXVV

I really must emphasise that it seems, despite the best efforts, play on outside bets really is a tricky dance between methods that can give modest returns, and to have a pre set goal is a best idea, with, if the session permits, 2 or three methods harvesting small gains that can be accrued.

It may be a good idea to push forward in some plays, say runs, exposing only a single unit regression if it loses, but using half units or less. so as to accentuate the positives but not erisking the hard won net gain.

It is a mindest and a style of play very different to the second tier plays I use.

testing and semi-live play continues ensuring that the now favoured methods can be applied in the casino setting in several trial runs.

Best XX V V

XXVV

Timing is everything.

Short term play is a universe away from the large scale sample which we need not be concerned with in practical play. We can take advantage of the short term distortions, trends and sequences that have percentage variation unthinkable in large scale samples.

Knowing when to start and when to stop after we understand the characteristics of a method and know its familiar  peaks and troughs - this is practical essential rule for professional play.

As Victor advises, choose timing to attack warm/ hot events, not cold characteristics awaiting awakening. Triggers should tune back into the action - that's where the energy is being released which we can harness.

Last night I was monitoring a sequence of spins. A massive run of over 20 outcomes in 3rd and 1st dozens, then also a switch to a long run of  central column outcomes after two zeroes within the previous 12 spins.

I was monitoring runs and same/different characteristics with switches in dozs/ cols and how this could be taken advantage of. The answer was right in front of me - you have to take advantage of what the game is offering......if you are in tune with it. There were runs and a curious blocking of change so that same was dominant.

It was also a signal for something to break, an extreme event and my intuition was beaming  back zero. ........The next spin zero!     You could feel the release of energy and after that the patterns all shifted.

flukey luke

Hello XXVV,

It is amazing how the more in tune with game you are, the more intuition can be your best friend. Allow me to share an experience I had last year.
I was playing a trigger based approach which solely relies on timing. The characteristics of the game were telling me that it was definately not a time to be placing any bets. So I started looking at what the exact opposite of the bet would be. It threw up three numbers over the next three spins which came up one after the other. If I was not there to witness it, I would certainly have never believed it. You are right about the 'energy' part as well. During this experience, I could almost feel that there was some kind of force at work. When you are truly plugged into the game, it can create some unusual experiences.

F_LAT_INO

Thats one of the things what keeps me in the game all this years.
besides patience and experience.
You can always get me on  
ivica.boban@ri.t-com.hr

XXVV

Yes I have a dear friend, London based, who is very experienced with larges sum casino roulette  play. One of the key factors he allows for most is the energy at the table which involves mainly the players. We both agree the Zero energy and the emotional and psychic power this can generate is at the top of the range of all numbers.

It makes chasing the zero a worthwhile adventure in its own right - all based on timing.

When its hot its very hot!

The principle of the reversal of bets is a very interesting observation.  At the moment I am really exploring ROBE and BORE sequences. Because of the relative imbalance of both then some reverse psycholgy can be helpful in constructing some bets that appear to have a consistent edge. To give one example that is a bit counter-intuitive, a play of ROBE number to follow a BORE number makes sense because in samples of 100 spins measuring relative performance characteristics the BORE doubles most often came in as losers. So when it doesnt work - reverse it!

Yes its a fantastic game.


XXVV

There are three characteristics that are critical to the best performance in practical professional play in the context of bet construction, selection and application.

First is to find the most consistent results (win or loss) where possible. Ad nauseam, 30 tests of 100 spins and then some more ( 3 x) if results are encouraging. But only short sessions of course. There is no practical point at all in testing for 100,000 spins or more. That is the critical time factor - tests need to be short duration but lots of them- and in fact if I can get out in 30 spins or less  in real play so much the better. The earnings ratio of short term imbalances can be measured and then a realistic percentage of that can be harvested when offered.

I have been advised all short term imbalances even out in the long term, but in the case of some of the reversals of consistent losing sequences  ( read on) I am not so sure - although it is likely to even out. I will update on that in a few weeks after much more testing.

In my experience, oddly, the most consistent results have been found in the realms that go a little further than most might explore ( no surprise there or else everyone would be a winner), and in fact require a twist....

Where there is a consistent, or relatively consistent loss, and the bet can be reversed, this is a key step. There are several applications that I have found, with one good one already noted. In fact in 30 spins monitored last night I had up to net  +7 wins in this format.

A second key characteristic that I am looking for is a relatively high payout, or price to earnings ratio in market terminology. Inside table betting can offer this or else high unit values on outside bets but  the third factor about to be mentioned comes into play.

No point in working like a dog for an hour to earn net +1 unit.

Grinding on is for fairground organists or nervous teeth.

A third and critical point which overlaps with point two, is the relative ability of the bet to earn sufficient to relatively quickly recover from a loss.

I now have a private bet that meets all three requirements and is far superior to earlier attempts to develop a consistent winning bet/CWS that were using outside bet models which for example needed 3 to 5 wins or more to recover from a loss.

Forget the progressions, particularly those on Martingale up to 64 on so on. They will result in tears in due course.  All my work now is flat staking exclusively with the exception of an occasional parlay under special circumstances.

The three points mentioned above are some of the most important practical realisations I have learned in the Game.

XXVV

Have been playing live and monitoring some new approaches. These are really exciting and it seems extraordinary that such consistent results ( loss) can be axchieved. What is the reason for this? There seems to be evidence, as yet not definitively proven , but certainly very regularly observed, that there is behaviour in certain sequences of outcomes that is remarkably eccentric - way off balance.

Question is - is this short term aberration or a deeper even more consistent skew.

I suspect it is short tem behaviour. However it seems frequent enough to regularly harvest.

We are on the trail here of something very interesting and potentially very very profitable. It is wonderful to actually be on THAT trail and not relying on third party questionable (?) inspiration.
You know what I mean.....

XXVV

Defining 'eccentric' as off balance and askew, then if you start with an imbalance in a set out - say 16 to 20 there is an 8% eccentricity.

This will account for subsequent swings which will deviate within standard expactations and sometimes more from the adjusted centre of gravity which is already 8% off centre to start with.

All this is great news when you are looking for consistent loss.

It also helps explain the results.

It also may lead to finding and establishing other bets which are deliberately skewed from the outset within a small range ( ie not the 33.3% of 2 dozen bets) but maybe in the 5-15% range, which can then be used to your advantage.

I am aware you cannot beat the odds of the Game but you can beat ( the short term behavioural characteristics of ...) the Game.


XXVV

We need to take care of course with an eccentric bet that as in this case it may require 11 wins to 8 losses in order to break even in a longer no discretion test.

What really counts though is that with a bet in such a fluid area of often quite lengthy runs of wins ( say runs of four, five and six or more in a row) and with good payouts, the player can happliy climb off the merry go round every now and then and take profit.

Conversely after say two losses the player might pause and await a return of an uptrend before climbing back on, or simply go to a new game and take a small loss.

Testing in the various forms being applied seems to show great opportunities to take advantage of short term runs as the payout win is relatively high, and the behaviour is relatively consistent.

More soon. XX V V


chrisbis

Do U bet virtually then whilst "Off" the merry-go-round XX?

Tracking all the time?

XXVV

For sure.

There are a lot of optional extra bets in the universe in which I am currently exploring, ie ROBE/BORE.

You can go ROBE ( all as a group) assingles or pairs.

BORE as singles or pairs ( although that runs counter to my primary bet)

You can play runs of ROBE

Runs of BORE

or interestingly runs of both ROBE and BORE, ie the phenomenon of runs alone. This can provide up to +10 quite quickly when the planets are aligned.

Another option is to 'overlap' - here comes the fuzzy bit - with an EC or outside table bet to reinforce or partially cover the principal bet.

It may be best to keep to just the primary bet - it seems to have a remarkable success given a range of outcomes tested  live.

However some may claim two overlapping bets and possibly at different values may be a good plan.

Also a simpler bet may be also useful such as say going for 6 street version of ROBE ( reduced from 7) thus forming an evenly balanced bet.  This can be used say when you have achieved say +5 wins and want to extend a run but not at the same unit risk exposure.

The primary bet though is always  ABWAB. However during an adverse run it is essential to monitor virtually until the primary uptrend is proven again ( or it may have just stalled and the game needs to be abandoned. The other variations though illustrate what is always bubbling along and this way of looking at things seems to offer lots of streaky play.

I find you can read a game from 20 accurate screen recorded bets and if flat or going down just don't even put the toe in the water.

If its a good start signal you may find yourself with + 3 to +5 wins before you know it ( say 30 spins). Thank you Game. Also I play to cover zero independently. My half joke about attracting zero when I sit down has now become a self fulfilling prophecy. If I go near the wheel the zero has  a habit of appearing if not instantly, very often within 12 spins.

XXVV

Planning to ramp up the live play this new week and have selected after testing one of the variable methods mentioned in the most recent posts.

It pays to be humble in this game.

Yesterday I played 7 mini sessions. All won, except one which was the one where zero did not occur. Therefore in relying on a fallback strategy I suggest you keep your wits about you and have several techniques to draw from. With a clear head they are obvious but in the heat of live play you have to be well trained, drilled,  to deal with the contingencies.

It may pay to pause and quietly reflect for some minutes - dont be intimidated by table play ( for example if only player at the table) - plan for ALL contingencies. Read your RULES of play before you start any session. How else can you positively reinforce this knowledge and practical experience.

With increasing confidence in the selected methodology I am now going to apply a simple three part parlay to the gameplan, given sufficient prior profit margin. Testing has demonstrated the frequency of length of suitable winning runs - but the sample size still needs to be very large.

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