Thoughts...

[Asxetos]

Thoughts...

It would be so great if we had found a bet selection that would be superior from the others and play it and make money from roulette as pro players.

Unfortunately as all mature roulette researchers know , till now  no superior bet selection has been found. (I am not speaking here about visual ballistics or bias play)

All mathematicians that have made their roulette research based their research on probability-statistics of the previous spins.
They had tested everything.
Sleepers, repeaters, patterns, standard deviations, even voodoo bet selections. Nothing worked!
I have made my research and of course nothing has been found

My ultimate dream is to find a bet selection that is superior from the others and start my carrier as a pro player and travel around the world playing my system.

Here we have a nice forum that there are some experienced members as well and we all bother in finding a winning method.
It s so great to see that you are not alone in this and some others from all over the world are trying to achieve the same as you do.
We are very little in number...have you realized that? And this is good...(I am referring to the people that are exploring roulette for finding a winning way)

Let s all combine our forces from our knowledge and experience and try finding something great!
I know maybe there isn t anything great about roulette...but being in here means that deeply inside us, we want something to exist.

Just a motivation post from me...

[Azim]

Thoughts...

It would be so great if we had found a bet selection that would be superior from the others and play it and make money from roulette as pro players.

Unfortunately as all mature roulette researchers know , till now  no superior bet selection has been found. (I am not speaking here about visual ballistics or bias play)

All mathematicians that have made their roulette research based their research on probability-statistics of the previous spins.
They had tested everything.
Sleepers, repeaters, patterns, standard deviations, even voodoo bet selections. Nothing worked!
I have made my research and of course nothing has been found

My ultimate dream is to find a bet selection that is superior from the others and start my carrier as a pro player and travel around the world playing my system.

Here we have a nice forum that there are some experienced members as well and we all bother in finding a winning method.
It s so great to see that you are not alone in this and some others from all over the world are trying to achieve the same as you do.
We are very little in number...have you realized that? And this is good...(I am referring to the people that are exploring roulette for finding a winning way)

Let s all combine out forces from our knowledge and experience and try finding something great!
I know maybe there isn t anything great about roulette...but being in here means that deeply inside us, we want something to exist.

Just a motivation post from me...

If you really want to become a pro. You have to work hard at it. There will be never, never be an easy way out.

Working hard means you have to practice what you want to become pro at.

Here is a system/method,  learn it and avoid doing the same mistakes over and over.  If by playing it, with enough bankroll. I mean the author has said 10 times, I personally think 15 to 20 times should be safe. 15 to 20 times because you want to play as a pro.

This system/method is flat betting.  We all know roulette is about LUCK. Let's think for a minute, if you were a good and honest mechanic, would you really need LUCK to get customer's?

Bottom line, if your bankroll has had a drop, this system/method you will always recover. Recovery might be a grind but it will recover.

GOOD LUCK in finding anything better than this.

Here it is:  link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

[ugly bob]

It would be so great if we had found a bet selection that would be superior from the others and play it and make money from roulette as pro players.

This is where people make their first mistake.

Think about it logically for a few minutes. The casino would go out of business if 50 reds and 50 blacks did not come up on average every 100 spins. (That's not even taking into account the 0)

This rule holds true for all the bet locations. (excluding bias play as you rightly say)

So there is no winning bet selection full stop. It's a fallacy to believe that there ever could be.

That's the bad news out of the way.

Now for the good news!

The casinos would also go bust if those 50 red and 50 blacks came out within those specific 100 spins.

We all know it just does not work that way in reality.

You could say.....

''Though the whole is still equal to the sum of it's parts, the parts themselves are not simply abbreviated versions of that whole''

So the player has to teach themselves to become a winner by reading the game well enough to get more decisions right than wrong. This can be achieved by understanding the ebbs and flows of the permanence as it is coming out.

Think of it like this...

Let's say it's raining outside and you need to go out. So you take your umbrella. Now one minute after stepping outside it stops raining.

Would you take your umbrella down?

Most sensible people would! Now think of the player who is going to continue playing red even though black is mostly showing.

He is keeping the umbrella up and is going to look for a bigger one if he is using a progression. Imagine that!  Crazy!

The example above with the red/black is just a simple one, but you get the idea.

So anybody hanging around waiting for a winning bet selection will be waiting a long time. There isn't one!

Teaching yourself to win and learning to read the game takes a long time but at least that's achievable.

[Asxetos]

Azim you don t know me so it s natural not to know how much time and effort I have spent in my research and sure you don t know how many new consepts of betting I have thought of ...consepts that the word have never seen but they also failed as it s natural.
I ll take a look at the system you posted here but I know for sure that if a system would beat roulette , wouldn t be on a public sight. But thanks anyway for the time you spent to copy/paste the link 
Ugly bob are you gizmotron? Because you sound exactly like him...

[TwoCatSam]

I do not think Ugly is Giz.

[Asxetos]

I do not think Ugly is Giz.

a student of him maybe?
Because they speak exact the same for  this "guessing-betting" consept

[ugly bob]

@asxetos,

No, I am not Gizmotron.

I do agree with a lot of what he had to say however.

[Asxetos]

@asxetos,

No, I am not Gizmotron.

I do agree with a lot of what he had to say however.

Its obvious 

[Azim]

Azim you don t know me so it s natural not to know how much time and effort I have spent in my research and sure you don t know how many new consepts of betting I have thought of ...consepts that the word have never seen but they also failed as it s natural.
I ll take a look at the system you posted here but I know for sure that if a system would beat roulette , wouldn t be on a public sight. But thanks anyway for the time you spent to copy/paste the link 
Ugly bob are you gizmotron? Because you sound exactly like him...

You are correct. I think the author is well known for his systems/method. He has his reasons for posting it.

Read it, let me know your opinion about it. Would love to hear it.

[Asxetos]

Speaking of him....Where is Winkel anyway?
Is he still on forums? Under a diff nickname maybe?
I had respect or him as he was one of the clever and experienced members in roulette.

[Azim]

He is around or at least was till middle or end of January 2014.

[beretta28]

Asxetos

I've also spent a lot of my time to find out either "the solution" or something very close to "the solution".
I mean a strategy or a method or a system that could be considered solid,resistant with a very low probability to fail.
Nothing exists at 100% probability of not failing!

First conclusion of my researches:
there is no positive or negative progression (as well as flat bet,of course) that you can invent in order to win.
The table limit,an  exceptional and long unbalance,the Zero tax are elements that make the roulette "almost" unbeatable.
More the progression is long(or more spins you play) more you lose for sure.

Second conclusion:
if you enter a Casino twice a year,it's only a matter of luck.Useless "to work" with a boring and complicated system.
If you enter,as I do,100 times per year, luck is not very important,but the number of spins you play per year are very important.
It must be as low as possible.
And of course it's important where you place your bets......

Third conclusion:
bet selection:it doesn't exist in the short term(next spin or next few spins are unpredictable) but next spins(10,20,50??) are related to the previous spins,because the law of probability must be fulfilled.
The only way that gave me and is giving me satisfaction for a long time is to play in favour of an unbalance,that is much more frequent that a perfect equilibrium in a given number of spins(10,20,50,100??)
On even chances,on double streets,on patterns of 2 or 3....?Some bets are better than others

Fourth conclusion:
you need a big bankroll. Personnally I use 2000 units,even if I play with flat bet or maximum 2 units.
When I win(very often),the sum is very low compared with bkr and risk(1%,2%...)
That's why I consider that a pro gambler don't exist at roulette.
OK at Black Jack and Baccarat(Punto Banco),not roulette.


Of course I have fixed some rules that are the result of experience,long playing sessions and money "invested".

Today a player can explain his system(GUT,for instance) and I can write down the permanence that make it lose.
This means that a roulette,sooner or later,will generate the same permanence.
Of corse this is valid also for my system,that has been built up following the conclusion I have illustrated above.
Good luck

[GLC]

Well said baretta28. 

My thoughts exactly.

Like Ralph said, all systems will eventually lose, but what else do we have?

Having said that, this link points to how I've been playing lately.  Reply #8 states the principle. 

(As a side note, there's some interesting posts by our beloved Ralph in this topic that are worth reading.)

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10132.msg89800#msg89800

The larger imbalance you wait for before beginning betting, the more effective.

This is a flat bet only method.  (Although, if you have the bankroll, a mild progression might be risked.)

I track all three even chances and play the best candidate.

This also works tracking streaks vs chops.  An imbalance there is the same as an imbalance between colors or hi/lo or odd/even.

Of course, the larger imbalance you wait for before betting, the longer we have to track between imbalances.  This means you have to adjust the unit size to make the effort worthwhile.

As others have pointed out, this will have losing sessions, so be mentally and financially prepared for them.

The way I've stated baretta28's comment about a permanence that will kill your method is, if there are spins that will cause your bet to lose, and there always are, eventually enough of them will clump together so as to kill your system.

This is why a reasonable stop loss is 2nd in importance only to "don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose!"

GLC

[beretta28]

GLC
thanks for your message and for the link.
Very interesting.
We have a similar approach but with a few differences.

Here below my additional thoughts:

-I'm afraid of something that is "due".I prefer inbalance(similar but not equivalent to trends).
There is a math law(arcsine distribution) that states that it's better to follow the repeater than the sleeper.
A lot of examples(using head or tail) on Google.

-I play only "closed cycles",that means a pre-determined number of spins(25 or 100)

-My  bet unit is high and I stop at + 1 unit.Easy? Sometimes at the first bet,sometimes after 2 hours at the table,sometimes a few days are necessary....)
Of course a Casino is close to my home.

-I'm thinking to give up roulette and play my system at Baccarat(lower VIG on even chances)

[Asxetos]

beretta28 all the things you said are exactly my point of view too!

I also think that repeaters is the way and the reason is because repeaters are showing up because are trying to correct the imbalance.