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Started by warrior, Feb 24, 06:02 PM 2014

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Firefox

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If I tell you how many pockets the wheel moved in a specified time, and I tell you also how many pockets the ball travelled in the same time interval.

Will you be able to calculate the ball and wheel speed ?
1- yes
2- no
3- i dunno

1. Yes one can calculate the ball and wheel speed from your observation.

The wheel speed is useful. The ball speed is constantly decaying so not useful on its own unless used with some other information eg To predict how many spins before the ball falls.

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 21, 09:03 AM 2019
You didn’t answer my question

My question was clear, I have neither the time nor the interest to read essay

Roulettebeater,

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Quote from: The General on Jan 21, 12:12 PM 2019
Roulettebeater,

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Steve

Rb he did answer it. It was yes, with more detail.
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Steve

Consider following observation :

Ball spin direction : cw
Wheel /rotor direction : ccw

Dealer launch the ball from 0, it rotates multiple laps for approx 18 seconds and exit the track at position (36)

Summing up :

Rotor moved from 0 to 36 in ccw fashion ( 24 pockets ) and ball moved from 0 to 36 in cw fashion ( 13 pockets )

Now the question, how can we use these data ? Do these data represent the speed of wheel and ball ?

Regards
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Firefox

The ball data of 18 secs is useful to compare against future spins and also which diamond it exits at is useful to see if he is coming off at the same diamond a good proportion of the time.

The wheel data is not useful. You don't have the speed of the wheel. It could have gone round 4 times or 5 times or 6 times in the 18 seconds and still give those numbers.

You need to measure the exact speed of the wheel in seconds per revolution or pockets per second. And you need to do it very accurately for this method to within 0.1s. Then you need to measure the speed of the wheel on future spins and see if he is throwing the same speed. Because if he isn't, the ball will end up in a different place and you either have to ignore that spin or adjust for it.

Аlex

Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 04:37 PM 2014
When evaluating a wheel, first give it a brief look ensuring the ball is at least behaving reasonably predictably. Also the ball having a sudden point of deceleration is a sign of a worn ball track, so favour such wheels.

Then comes the next and very important step of scatter analysis. If you get bad scatter, forget it for VB. The ideal situation is a broad 18 pocket peak that is harder to miss, although yuo dont necessarily need to bet all of it.

If scatter is ok, the rest should be ok provided you get bets in on time. Again if scatter is bad, forget it. Scatter tells you a lot about what is possible with basic methods.

If scatter is good, and you have enough data to know this for sure, and results of vb are bad, then something is wrong with the vb method itself.

If you break down the components, then you will know WHICH part needs work. If you blindly look at results without proper analysis, then you wont know what is possible, and how to fix any problems.

It isnt at all difficult, but its like baking a cake where if you do one simple thing wrong, you can end up with a disaster.
Hi Steve!
I want to clarify a few things about VB:
Evaluating the wheel start - with the determination of dominance or with the evaluation of the scatter?
How many spins does it take to analyze the scatter?
For scatter analysis, only spins are needed where the ball hits the dominant diamonds, or do you need to analyze all spins (including spins when the ball hits a non-dominant diamond)?

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