Something extraordinary happened that gives hope

[Asxetos]

 I had an idea of a flat bet selection and after testing it manually and showing nice results I needed a programmer to code it and run a real big test to see how it goes.
   I was very lucky that a programmer accepted to make the code (maybe because it is a very very simple bet selection) and we both tested big time and the bet selection showed that can reduce the unbeatable -2,7 (single zero wheel) to -1 , -1,5.
  For the true roulette researchers(with real understanding) this is something huge!
This bet selection managed to reduce the ultimate math disadvantage of the single zero roulette.
I tested around 500.000 betting spins and the disadvantage was -1,2  and the programmer tested also a big number of spins and in his tests the disadvantage was close to mine.
He is intrested in no zero wheel and there the bet selection showed a slight advantage but I only care for single zero wheels.

These results is a huge hope that maybe this game can be beaten.

Now we are in a tweaking phase , but not with progressions...progressions are only doing bad to a bet selection.
I ll update this post if you care. 

[RobbieD]

We care..........

[ati]

I'm curious to see what you have found, but for now the sad truth is, even with 0 house edge, we still can't beat the game. I was looking at the baccarat rules on BV yesterday, and realized that there is actually a 0.06% player edge at the no house edge version, but that still not enough I think.

[Asxetos]

I'm curious to see what you have found, but for now the sad truth is, even with 0 house edge, we still can't beat the game. I was looking at the baccarat rules on BV yesterday, and realized that there is actually a 0.06% player edge at the no house edge version, but that still not enough I think.

I said to my post that in a no zero roulette with the bet selection I found, we have a slight advantage...this means +.
Even if this bet selection can t produce a better advnatage than the one it already has it isn t sad...it s the opposite of sad!
It has already showed (to me and the programmer) that the ultimate and unbreakable -2,7 can change and break ...
So with this bet selection it changed by +1% to +1,5% , maybe with an other one it can change by +3% and make a +0,3% advantage overal or more.
The point that we all should take is that it can change and it is not ultimate and unbreakable because WHEN BET SELECTIONS ARE CORRECT THEN IT MATTERS.

The bet selection I found is on the STREETS.
Instead of adding a progression I will add the STRAIGHT NUMBERS bet with the same consept.
It is supposed that if a bet selection consept can win on a bet(eg. streets) then it win on all the other bets(eg.straight numbers).
So now that the streets bet is giving a +1,2% then by adding the straight numbers MAYBE it can have from there an other 1,2%.
So maybe we can come close to 0% disadvantage(make the -2,7% to 0%) or maybe better.
I can t know for sure before the code is ready.
After test I ll post results..

[RouletteKnight]

I've heard someone proclaim this before, I believe it to be true but even if the edge was lowered to -1.2%. It is still a losing proposition. Even if the edge was 1.2% in your favor, you will need a VERY VERY HUGE bankroll to stomach the ups and downs. You are better off trying to beat roulette by sector betting and guessing where the ball lands, where the edge could be as high as 18% to the player. But of course, such a playing style is very obvious and easily attracts the pit bosses attention.

[kingsroulette]

French roulette has 1.35% edge for EC bettors. No zero roulette has no house edge, at all. Even then, variance may kill you any moment and keep you in loss for too long. House edge is definitely a tilt towards casino but it need not always help. Casino may earn and lose with or without house edge and same holds good for players too.
            No method can reduce house edge. House edge is a constant and that is due to unfair payouts. You can't ask a casino to pay u back 37(1 chip of ur own +36 chips of winning, instead of 35 that they give now) chips when u hit a straight up. So nothing changes house edge, at all.

[Chris555p]

@Rouletteknight


In relation to your post above concerning sector's betting and the fact it easily attract pitt boss attention. Does this really matter if this attrcatcs his/her attention
as we are not doing nothing illegal by betting sectors.  Everyone is free to bet as they wish; So I don't really see the problem.....Can u please expalin what the problem is.....??

[RouletteKnight]

@Rouletteknight


In relation to your post above concerning sector's betting and the fact it easily attract pitt boss attention. Does this really matter if this attrcatcs his/her attention
as we are not doing nothing illegal by betting sectors.  Everyone is free to bet as they wish; So I don't really see the problem.....Can u please expalin what the problem is.....??

Casino's are trained to pick up this kind of things. If they see you doing something like that they might do a few things, for example asking the dealer to call off all bets instantly after the throw which will make it much harder to predict the landing. Or they could just ban you from the casino if they know you to be an advantage player.

[ati]

I read something in this reddit ama, that casinos don't ban players, but they can ask you not to play a certain game again in their house.

[ausguy]

I think there's too much self mind games from some of you guys about being banned &/or coming under the attention of the pit boss ?

I suggest you just play your game & not worry about what is very unlikely to happen. 1st up you have to start winning consistantly. I don't mean just 1 session but day after day after day & substantial amounts at that. Not many players on here do that.

Generally most tables are moderately busy to very busy & often the layouts are a sea of chips so sector betting or any other type of betting is unlikely going to be noticed ? After all the DOLLY can only be put on 1 number, all the rest gets raked up & shovelled down the sorting shute for usually good profit for the casino minus the win payouts every spin. It's all in a days work for dealers/supervisors. 

People win heaps at roulette all the time but the casinos are always the biggest winners. I've heard pit bosses say "yeah they win today but they'll be back tomorrow & we'll get our money back plus some then" as they smilingly walk away. As long as you're not cheating the casino gladely welcomes your ($$$$) cough cough, business.

If your worried about being noticed (think how it is for them looking out at the crowds all the time, not you looking in) then a few things to do to fly under the radar. Don't wear flashy clothes, dress conservatively (maybe nerdish even ?) play quietly laid back even, minimal chat with other players/dealers etc. reveal nothing of your plays, keep as much of your BR chips/profit in your pocket (out of sight out of casinos staff minds). Only tip adequately if necessary (if that's the normal custom). Don't get too boozed up that it affects your judgement. Look to change tables if there's plenty of choice. Like after a break go to another section. Different dealers/supervisors. Vary your visit times if possible.

Get to know the shift times, pit bosses go home too. At my local casino the main shifts are 12 Noon & 8pm. At 4am the night staff finish & a smaller shift for the less busy period starts through to high Noon & so the cycle continues.

The worst case scenario is that you'll get banned but actually it would be a great endorsement for your play. For by the time you got to that stage you'd be miles ahead with your profits. So much so that you could afford to travel to any casino you choose, grab a nice hotel room & keep on keeping on. 

[Chris555p]

@Rouletteknigh, thank for replying; I tend to agree with what Ausguy says; From my experience Casinos don't care about sector's betting or any other bets people make, provided they are not cheating.....; For 1 persdon who wins 100's are lososing any way.