Thoughts...

[ausguy]

For real wheel potential & actual cheating go to wheel maker Cammergh.com & view their products. They have air ball wheels with variable rotor speed & air jet holes in the ball track. (Smart Live air wheels have these Cammergh models). They even state where they land the ball & where it should have landed with the speed control off.

They have wheels ready now to replace live dealers (if the regs changed to let them) with random ball launch, manipulated wheel & ball speed said to be the answer to combat VB & mini video ball position predictors. Go to that site, it's not my speculation it's all revealed by Cammergh.

Air wheels are a version of RNG. RNG itself, air/auto wheels, slots are all types of Electronic Gaming Machines. This is gaming regulator law virtually everywhere. They are legally allowed to CHEAT as long as they meet the payout % schedule. Audits only look at longer term trends, not a particular part of a bet session where you may have suddenly gone from hero to zero.  Again not from me but seen on various Gaming Reg. sites.

Proof - I played Live dealer Party Casino last week (Latvian lady dealers) 1 of many many sessions. Off a 200 GBP I was 690 GBP ahead in a little under 4 hours off a 2 GBP min bet then to 5GBP at the 3 hr mark.

I've never seen the ball behaviour there like you speak of but you don't say the casinos name ? They always spin in one direction only. It's new dealer every 1/2 hr 24/7.

Quite a few of my bets were in the 100 - 150 GBP x 2 range. I was playing dbl 2 : 1 bets. Most importantly for me the Casino lost, with my plays at least.

RNG I agree. I never lose on them because I don't play them. My belief is they are rigged & 200% certain they cheat on every spin every day.

[Bacc-Pro]

beretta28 all the things you said are exactly my point of view too!

I also think that repeaters is the way and the reason is because repeaters are showing up because are trying to correct the imbalance.

There is no 'reason' for anything in roulette, the repeaters could also be imbalance starting and maybe not correcting imbalance, thats just random at work.

[ddarko]

They even state where they land the ball & where it should have landed with the speed control off.

@ ausguy

Thanks for the link, I've looked across their website but cannot find where they state this ?

If you could point me in the right direction, that would be greatly appreciated 

[Proofreaders2000]

*I can't find a casino with fair games online *whether they don't tamper with the games one way or another* (from my list of choices as a U.S. resident)*

They are legally allowed to CHEAT as long as
they meet the payout % schedule.--Ausguy

Exactly!! Better to play at a brick and
mortar casino if you want to gamble.
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I've never seen the ball behaviour there like you speak of but you don't say the casinos name ? They always spin in one direction only. It's new dealer every 1/2 hr 24/7. -Ausguy

Foam balls and lack of scatter (Microgaming Live Casino)-Ladbrokes, All Slots, All Jackpots, WildJack Casino (when US residents were allowed to play).

Celtic Casino, Five Dimes Live Roulette-(balls jumping from one number to another after resting, dealers sneezing on balls and spinning them, several consecutive balls without scatter on the rotor)

BetPhoenix Live Roulette: Dropping the ball in instead of
spinning, barely spinning the wheel while the ball spins around.

[ausguy]

Proof - Yes OK I get your points - Microgaming, Ladbrokes, all slots, sub standard balls & handling etc. I don't play from that group so it's not a worry for me here in OZ land. In fact just going from memory I think Ladbrokes is one of the casinos & any of their affiliates that has OZ as a non a/c country ? Will Hill was here too & they pulled out & cancelled all accounts & also blocked OZ players. It was all about non compliance to certain betting rules here & flicking OZ in the hope of getting a new super lucrative USA gaming licence ?

As to B & M casinos & there's only one here in Sydney OZ (monopoly) the worrying trend is the large reduction in live dealer spun wheels where they have over the years have flicked the $2.50 tables (as in inside bets) & in recent months flicked all bar 1 or 2 $5 tables to now offer, as the base, $10 tables. For EC players costs have climbed from min. $10 then to $25 & now $50.

All wheels where/are 37 number single zero wheels but on my last visit late last year the $5 wheel had a double zero inserted down the bottom of the wheel between 5R & 10B. It wasn't like they put a USA configured 38 wheel in, no it was a HYBRID keeping all the other numbers in the normal Euro pattern ? They've also the created a super mini theatre @ 100 + touch screen games for ONE - admittedly still a live dealer spun game, badged as Rapid Roulette - & TWO the proliferation of Vegas Star HD replicated real video'd RNG games.

Then there's a few RNG auto wheels sprinkled around the gaming floor. Any RNG game is allowed to CHEAT even the ones in B & M casinos. % comply 1st then it's a green light every time to CHEAT & RAKE IN the profits.

Overall the casino is more tacky now & a less enjoyable place to play/visit. It's noisy too with their overly loud PA's blasting out their promo's at certain times over a number of hours. In the wash up, me no like, me no go, me now play live dealer on line. 

[ausguy]

ddarko - I just checked the Cammergh site (haven't looked at it since last year) & they've edited down their RRS Random Rotor Speed info. to what it used to be but there's still enough left to get the basics & the video demo is still there to download.

Ok to find what I've been talking about it's 1. Revisit the Cammergh site. 2. Click on product. 3. View the roulette wheel choices. 4. click on the 360 RRS choice. Read what they write there, it used to be about x3 more than what they have there now. If further interested view the short video demo.

[ddarko]

@ ausguy

thank you for that, like the fool I am I only looked at the "slingshot" section.

Sorry my bad....

[Steve]

What the casinos (and wheel manufacturers) do, to make winning harder, gives you clues as to what works.

[ddarko]

What the casinos (and wheel manufacturers) do, to make winning harder, gives you clues as to what works.

How do your machines counteract this Steve ?

[ausguy]

They can't counteract as the final manipulation comes after no more bets. Although gambling regs ban spin manipulation on dealer spun wheels so that's where the spin computers can potentially still perform.

[ddarko]

They can't counteract as the final manipulation comes after no more bets. Although gambling regs ban spin manipulation on dealer spun wheels so that's where the spin computers can potentially still perform.

I'm interested to see, what Steve's views are, he's "hidden" but online right now, so hopefully we can get an answer to my question.....

[Steve]

Detailed response at link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14268 but only visible to 250+ post members

[SpinASequence]

Looking for a way to bet?


This is my method :-

I am re-entering the casinos after a time away.


I understand Jack Wise Kennedy's Positional Roulette.

I believe you should follow the wheel.

I believe that you should bet SAL

I believe that you should only bet 4 chips

I have my own system based on Jack's reasoning


I call it the House System

I break the numbers on the wheel  except 0 - down into a single digit

House 1 : 1-10-19-28
House 2 : 2-11-20-29
House 3 : 3-12-21-30
House 4 : 4-13-22-31
House 5 : 5-14-23-32
House 6 : 6-15-24-33
House 7 : 7-16-25-34
House 8 : 8-17-26-35
House 9 : 9-18-27-36

Houses : 2-4-6-8 are black
Houses : 3-5-7-9 are red

House 1 : has 2 red and 2 black

I only record house numbers on a card, usually waiting for 9 spins.

So just randomly looking at 9 spins after 0 on Dublinbet I see : 9-7-6-7-4-8-5-9-8. Please note these are House numbers - not actual numbers! For instance first number which I call House 9 was 36, second number House 7 was 16, third number House 6 was 33 and so on.

You will not see the dealer hit all 9 houses in 9 spins which mean some must repeat and there will be no shows just as Jack says in his ramblings. You will probably never see that same sequence of houses for months!  In the above sequence  you will note that Houses 1-2-3 have not been hit yet which means the others must repeat in 9 spins.

After 9 spins I now have a little bit of history to work with.
So the last number hit was in house 8(I  am not interested in what the actual number was!)

I now only have 3 houses to choose from : 2-4-6 .I do not play for house 8 to repeat unless it has repeated before.

How do I choose? : past history and a 'feel' for the game. I only bet 4 chips and I only bet SAL.

So for instance I may bet house 6 which is : 6-15-24-33

There are other ways to bet but this is the basis.

Give it a try. It's no use checking it out over 10,000 rng numbers because I am playing against a real wheel in real time on a short term basis. Everyday you walk in a casino you will see trends and sequences - it's up to you to take advantage of these short term trends - make a profit - and walk.

I play to win. I do not play to play. There is a difference.



SAS