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About airball roulette and a patented cheat

Started by birima, Dec 19, 05:10 PM 2014

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birima

I want to share my experience about playing airball roulette and exchange experience with other players.

I compiled my findings in the youtube video after I started noticing suspicious behavior from these type of wheels.

Alarm bells went of when I came across the following patent US Patent Application No: 2014/0015 194

The links towards the video and the patent can be found in the attachment.

Most of this newer model airball have not less then 16! diamonds and deep pockets. The interblock doesn't show a lot of scatter, actually almost no scatter. Coincidence? I don't think so because scatter and spinners are uncontrollable. It helps them to steering the ball towards a certain pocket or empty sector. It feels like this mechanism takes control when I start betting. If I am only watching without betting, I see very playable repeating patterns. I was able to find them through secretly filming the devices and reverse engineer the spins. In the case of Interblock, machines are configured differently from each other and probably have different software updates.  I will not play any of them anymore and will go back to the live table. Wasted quiet some time on them.

Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

Normy2000

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psimoes

Someone on another forum states the airball machine in our local casino carries a plate where it says the machine is obliged by law to pay 70% of total wages and keep the remaining 30%.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

birima

Hi Normy, long time since you helped me out with RX programming! I saw that video myself as well. What's the world coming to when you can't even trust casino's anymore  :)
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

birima

Hi psimoes,

It would be interesting to see that thread because I've been roaming different roulette forums for long time searching on airball but never came across about what you are saying.
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

iggiv

Eventually on a long run game floor with games of 30% house edge will rather lose because many people will stop using it. Casinos understand it. You can see a good example of European (single zero) and American (double zero) roulette. Less than 3% difference in house edge.

In Europe roulette is a "queen" of casino games. Nothing beats roulette in popularity. In Americas where double zero roulette wheels basically prevail, black jack is more popular than roulette.

So i hardly believe it.

psimoes

Hi birima, it's some rogue thread on a portuguese forum focused on football/soccer counter-betting. You can't really tell what the forum members' background on roulette is, so it might be a conspiracy-theory kind of post, but nevertheless the claim could be verified. If true, there should be a sign with the warning bolted onto the machine. Discrete enough, I imagine, as the casino wouldn't want gamblers to know they're playing on a one-armed bandit in disguise.
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psimoes

Quote from: iggiv on Dec 20, 04:58 PM 2014
Eventually on a long run game floor with games of 30% house edge will rather lose because many people will stop using it. Casinos understand it. You can see a good example of European (single zero) and American (double zero) roulette. Less than 3% difference in house edge.

In Europe roulette is a "queen" of casino games. Nothing beats roulette in popularity. In Americas where double zero roulette wheels basically prevail, black jack is more popular than roulette.

So i hardly believe it.

Ya, 30% is too much. Perhaps the poster meant 97% - 3%...
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iggiv

Small percentage can be fixed, but is it worth it? It is easy to find through manufacturers, usually they take pride of their products being highly unbiased.

Some online casinos based on software are a different story though. Some of them there where laws allow it more or less are for quick and easy cash and then know they will close soon. So their software programmers can make some tricks for them, and basically nobody will find out what skillful programmer can hide in his sophisticated code. Even the reputable ones can go for it.

There was one guy which used to work in Playtech or somewhere else, he was a member  in the old VLS forum, he claimed he knew some "tricks" used by software and promised to tell how they can be overcome. The next thing which happened he said the company (his former employer) found him and gave him a  threat of a law suite against him, after he told about this he has never posted again.

psimoes

link:://forum.contraposta.com/discussao-geral/casinos-(sistemas-bons-e-maos)/msg19639/#msg19639

There's the post.

I did have a bad experience with an airball machine. I was on an L6 progression while playing Cluster II and the machine didn't let me insert a banknote and carried on with the spinning. The number that hit would be a win. Suspicious coincidence.

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iggiv

such things happen. I am not sure if this coincidence or not, but there are always coincidences in this life.


I can tell you i knew a couple of my friends (husband and wife) who i encountered  accidentally 2 times in 2 different countries. Can you believe it? How often you can meet the same people 2 times in two different countries? But it did happen. And it was not a single astonishing coincidence in my life. If i was into conspiracy theories i would of course tell everyone that some known or unknown organizations are after me for some reasons and they hire people which i know. But coincidences DO HAPPEN, my friends. If there was a happy coincidence nobody would claim it as "suspicious", but unhappy one is suspicious of course. Roulette wheel can behave certain ways for long time just coincidentally. Time after time some people may get lucky or extremely unlucky. Because of nature of roulette game being unlucky is more likely. And it is very possible that the machine suddenly had a glitch which was unlucky for you.
If the number would not come and because of this coincidence the guy did not lose more money he would not claim this glitch "suspicious".

psimoes

Wise words, but assuming the arcade roulettes (well, the ones you find at the bookeepers) are rigged, the idea of a rigged mechanical roulette is plausible.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

wiggy

My advice to anyone who plays the arcade style roulette machines in bookmakers is to stay away from them.

Up until about 18 months ago, if you pressed the button at the same time as the guy next to you on another machine, you both got the same random number.

That does not happen anymore. You both get a different number. Try it and see.  >:D
"You can lead a human to intelligence, but you can't make him think''

psimoes

[Math+1] beats a Math game

iggiv

if you are talking about electronic machines which does not have mechanical wheels and work on software, that's a totally different story.
Anything can happen.

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