About airball roulette and a patented cheat

[birima]

Hi all,

Full article on the matter I posted here as guest writer: roulette30 from Kavouras.  I cannot post the link, it is saying my message contains bad language .

Cheers

[Steve]

I've never known auto roulette in a regulated casino to influence spins to avoid paying players.  Doing that would be a very big and unnecessary risk for any casino. Why risk milions to save much smaller amounts?

Integrating rng with real wheels is not influencing outcomes, from a legal perspective.

The technology to target or avoid numbers has been around for a long time,  but it is never used in regulated casinos.

[birima]

I think you should read the article including the documented patents herein before assuming that casinos wouldn't do such a thing. Afterall, these air-ball roulettes are classified as EGMs. The whole point is, it might not be illegal because of their classification but it looks like a roulette wheel while some of them are not, they're like slot machines with fixed payout rates. Using RNG's to randomize the outcome is not a problem but determining a number by RNG before or during ball release, certainly is. If after reading the article, you still have doubts, I would be very interested to discuss on the matter.

Cheers

[Steve]

Birima, I read the patent. So basically the winning number is determined as below:

1. The pockets move, but the actual numbers remain static.
2. RNG selects winning number
3. Ball lands into pocket without any interference
4. Then the pockets rotate to align with the RNG-selected winning number

Whoever designed that and paid for a patent attorney is a moron. It would piss off so many players to see the ball land and remain still in a pocket, and then the rotor (with static ball) moves around to some number, and the player loses.

So the wheel is not specifically influencing the physics of the wheel. They are not using magnets. They are rotating the ring with pockets to align with the winning number selected by RNG. So it would be very easy for the player to identify such a wheel.

No smart casino would use such a wheel. It would create a lot of distrust amongst players. But not all, because at many casinos now they have rows and rows of betting screens and chairs with players betting on "spin outcomes" of computer animations on a big screen at the front. When I first saw this, I wanted to stand at the front and yell "you are all stupid" (in the nicest way possible).

You referenced one patent, but Ive never seen a wheel like that being used and never heard of one. This is because there is better technology that addresses the casino's problem of advantage play, with a better prospect of not losing trust from players. For example, the RRS wheels. These change the speed of the rotor after no more bets is called. A perfect example is at :.hybridroulettecomputer.com/rrc_decelerate.avi

An average player would have no clue this was happening. Some players do notice it and lose trust in the casino's honesty. An experienced advantage player would detect it before spending time on the wheel. It is mostly a deterrent because it does not affect all styles of advantage play. In all the casino is likely to actually lose money if they use these wheels, because of the types of players below:

Player 1: An advantage player realistically wont win much, at least in a short period, because they need to cap winnings to avoid detection.

Player 2: An observant player (non-advantage) with a large bankroll can very easily play elsewhere once they notice something is not right with the wheel.

Player 1 will win money at a slower rate than player 2 loses money, and there are a lot more of "player 2's" than "player 1's around". So RRS wheels are still a bad choice for casinos.

The best solution for casinos is careful monitoring. But even with careful monitoring, professional teams will still easily win enough to be comfortable. There are many things they could do, but they dont do them and may be 10+ years from doing them. Most of the professionals in the industry are fully aware of advantage players, but mostly consider them a pest. Like mosquitos that are around, but they dont take too much if you slap them quickly. An occasional loss of $5000 or so to casinos is not much considering casinos can earn this much in one spin.

[birima]

Hi Steve,

Thank you for taking time to read the patent. Did you read the article on Kav's site too?  Yes, that wheel is for morons and will never be succesfull, I believe. The thing is that patented technique of - RNG determining number before and during ball release - is downwards compatible with the traditional wheels we know. This is mentioned in one of the last paragraphs in the article.

Cheers

[Steve]

Yes I read the article but it seems out of place. Many of his articles are very inaccurate and contrary to AP. Did you write the article?

Are you a vb player?

Regarding backwards compatible, yes they could just change rotors but I think whoever designed it was thinking of sales to casinos rather than effectiveness. It'd be a lot of extra messing around with equipment and would end up losing casinos more money

[birima]

Yes I am the author of the article. I do not play 'systems' myself anymore.

Cheers

[Dane]

I am not an airball machine expert; but this should be obvious:
If I am the only one playing there, I am an easy target!
Better safe than sorry. Never play alone there!
If more players are spreading their bets
at the same time, the machine can´t
beat them all!