Two dozen method by TurboGenius

[ego]

This method is by TurboGenius and i like the method very much.
One reason is that you need no tracking and it is easy to play.

You track the last four dozen that hit and bet against them on a rolling basis.

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2 W.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
1 W.   
2 L.
1 W.   
2 W.   
1 L.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
1 W.   
3 W.   
2 W.   
2 L.
1 L.   
1 W.   
2 L.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W.   
3 W.   
3 W.   
1 L.   
3 W.   
3 L.   
1 W.   
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W.
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L.
1 W
3 L
1 W
1 W
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2
1
2

I want to play and have a reason standing next to the wheel starring at it.
Then i been thinking about this method.

But a 4 step marty would be to agressive for my taste, so i was thinking to use one skip and flat betting the first two bets and raise the last one.
I want to play as much i can and lose as little i can during that time standing next to the wheel starring at it and collecting data.

1:1
1:1
2:2

That way i win with my first bet and accept loses with my secound and last bet.
The idea is that first bet and secound bet will hovering around break even territorium.
As first wins one unit and the secound lose one unit.

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3 W. +6
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3 W. +8
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3 L. +6
1 W  +7
3 L
1 W  +8
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[ego]

The minium for the lines are 2 Euro - that means 8 Euro for each bet.
The outside bets has 10 Euro as minimum and that would be 20 Euro.

Cheers

[thelaw]

Just ran a quick test based on Wiesbaden results. System tanked within 100 spins.

The main problem appears to be running into a run of a dozen (4+ in a row) which kills the progression (zeros can also pose a problem).

Just my $.02

Thanks for posting!

[ego]

Just ran a quick test based on Wiesbaden results. System tanked within 100 spins.

It does not tank because you lose 4 in a row - that is ridiculus ...
I show around 50 trails and made +8 units - not bad.

The main problem appears to be running into a run of a dozen (4+ in a row) which kills the progression (zeros can also pose a problem).

You don't use agressive progression and play all four bets.
You use skips and try to hovering around zero as i explain above.

The point is not posting a winning system - the point is to post a system that have a low losing ration with a low variance and using table minimum bets losing less during long period of playing.


Cheers

[ego]

Do any one else have a method with low variance, low bet amount and hovering around zero point.
Then feel free to post method at this topic.

Cheers

[thelaw]

It does not tank because you lose 4 in a row - that is ridiculus ...
I show around 50 trails and made +8 units - not bad.

You don't use agressive progression and play all four bets.
You use skips and try to hovering around zero as i explain above.

The point is not posting a winning system - the point is to post a system that have a low losing ration with a low variance and using table minimum bets losing less during long period of playing.


Cheers

Hey Ego,

I was just observing the w/L record in 100 spins, which looked significantly different than the one posted above. As I mentioned, not just 4 in a row, but zero, as well as any natural losses (not in a row).

When testing systems, I always look for session from hell that would destroy it. I think that GLC mentioned using 25% win for EC, so that would equate to around 12% for dozens.

Again, just my $.02-not trying to criticize your method

[sturrock]

Just gave it a go on Super Casino Live Dealer

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Not toooo bad 

[ego]

Just gave it a go on Super Casino Live Dealer

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Not toooo bad 

That was my point - even if you would lose four in a row you would win a small amount or at least break even - not bad.
That sequense look like 100 to 150 trails.

W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
L  +2
W +3
L  +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
W +5
W +6
W +7
W +8
W +9
L +7
W +8
L +6
W +7
L +5
L +3
L -1
W +0
W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
W +5

I assume that is the result you got with your live play.
I also test this and get the same results as you did.

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W +1
W +2
W +3
W +4
L +2
W +3
W +4
W +5
W +6
W +7
W +8
L +6
W +7
W +8
W +9
W +10
W +11
W +12
W +13
L +11
W +12
L +10
W +11
L +9
W +10
L +8
W +9
W +10
L +8
W +9
W +10
L +8
L +6
W +8
W +9
L +7
W +8
W +9
L +7
L +5
W +7

For me is not about winning using this method - becasue i know there does not exist winning methods.
I just want to lose less - small amount of money during play with low variance.

You can see it like this - i pay to get collected data for another ball game.

Cheers

[biagle]

hi, can you give example how you are betting. i dont get it.

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2 W.   why win? you should bet 1 and 3 dozen?

[ego]

hi, can you give example how you are betting. i dont get it.

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2 L.
2 W.   why win? you should bet 1 and 3 dozen?

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You allways play the two oppisite.

But don't wast you time with this method - is not a winning method - it lose.
I just run 300 trails and peak at 12 units and end with -3 units.

So i would pay 24 Euro to getting 300 trails of data - not so bad - but i will search for something better.

[thelaw]

Couple of ideas :

Progression : Labby (standard 3-line w/stop-loss)

or

Flat-Bet with standard Win Goal/Loss Limit (much safer) - great stuff being posted right now on Betselection from XXVV about this "ways to improve session results"

This selection has a very impressive hit-rate thus far. Great work!

Just my $.02

[psimoes]

Comparing this one with the method I posted, this one's LW was less clustered than mine. And with one less Loss.

[psimoes]

This selection has a very impressive hit-rate thus far. Great work!

Just my $.02

It's not the hit-rate that's impressive, to me anyway. It's just a typical 66% W vs 33% L  of most DD betting methods. Where it seems to stand out is in the registry, where the LW are better dispersed. Only four Ls in a row. I'll try this one at the local B&M. I'll wait for 4 virtual losses and then flat bet until in plus, with a higher stake than usual.

[thelaw]

Ran a few more tests from Weisbaden with flat betting using simple MM Strategy (+ or - 10 then stop), but found too many instances where there would be 100 spins without a clear winner/loser.

May try a simple progression when I get a minute.....

[psimoes]

If you can, just publish the LW. I've come to the conclusion that's all there is to know. Think it deserves a thread on its own.