The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[nottophammer]

not bad for 8 weeks

[thelaw]

Azim/thelaw, once again you are painting with loud broad paint-strokes that misrepresent people and their positions, including mine.  Falkor was approaching this as scientifically as i've ever seen anyone approach it on the forum, an approach that i favor.   He was just not jumping to conclusions as fast as you thought he should jump.  Now you misrepresent the sequence of events leading to his ban...a week before Jan 1st, the day he promised iggiv to let loose some significant research results.  Just before Christmas, he posted some other, but similar method, that seemed to work well, and then asked that it be deleted, because, he thought, it worked too well.  It seems he discovered it enroute to the other solution he was researching.   At the same time, he may have invited a few folks to a private site to see his research in that regard, not to sell them the research, but to let them see it free.  Somehow this was all interpreted as selling out in a bad way, and he was banned.  I already mentioned the phenomenon that falkor experienced; the desire to keep private methods that actually work, once you fully realize, or come to fully believe, that they will work.  I already mentioned the three possibilities in that case.  Now, if the mods want to be consistent, denzie will be banned soon because he has stated as a matter of fact, that he will no longer offer anything to the group that he actually believes will work, and will forever more keep private anything he actually knows (or believes) will work.  All this despite the help he may have received from the group in the past.   At best he will offer maddening hints.   In that case, the mods should give him a set time to offer all the hints he intends to offer, and give him enough time to privately invite anyone he considers worthy of his information to meet him privately,  at the end of which time he should be banned. 

There are people here who don't know yet that they will opt never to reveal (except for maddening hints) something that actually (or that they believe actually) works...to the crowd.  You might be one of them.  I believe falkor did not know he would be that way, and as soon as he discovered it (by asking a thread be deleted), he was banned.  So, to be consistent, he should either be brought back, or denzie should be banned along with Warrior, with those who have explicitly expressed they will never give anything more than hints, regardless the help they may receive or have received from group-sourcing the forum's resources.

All that's happening right now is denzie is insulting the group, dividing it into what he considers sheep and goats, and may (if you are lucky) decide to PM whom he considers good sheep.  I say, give him some time.  But not much. 

Still

Still,

Wow!

So now the great Falkor had not one, but two working systems, and just happened to publish parts of one (again - not a full system) before the January 1st deadline, then disappeared without delivering on his promise to explain his system.

Hopefully your king Denzie will choose you to be one of the select few he shares his "secret" system with. Until then, you have nothing......zilch.....nada.

So keep allowing people like Falkor, who has gone back on his word publicly on multiple occasions, to waste the time of others on this forum, moving everyone further away from any real workable system.

[Turner]

Can we all calm down

This post has gone the way they always go.

Someone claims a HG
Everyone gets wound up
Certain people start feuding

Either get back to discussing the subject matter or I will lock the post

Turner

[Steve]

Most members can smell when someone is full of shit. The same patterns repeat: someone claims they have HG, and they either:


* lead people on, or

* try to sell something, or

* it turns out the system is useless and without any valid principles.


There also appears to be two types of members:

* members who want to do lots of testing and see if there's any merit in the what this new mysterious person is preaching,

* members who can smell the bullshit from miles off


It doesnt need to end in a debate or argument. Anyone is free to waste their time or not.

It is particularly frustrating when some new person comes here claiming to be the roulette god, and some people actually buy into it, without having learned anything from the past.

Keep it simple:


* claims alone are not enough. Anyone can claim anything.

* Baiting and an endless lines of "clues" are signs of bullshit, like CEH.

* If a person doesnt outright share or offer real proof, they are probably full of shit.

* If someone is baiting, it is actually breaking the rules, report them. The forum is an open and friendly place for sharing. If you are here to be open and share, you wont bait. And if you do bait, you will be banned. But if you report someone, give very clear examples that show a pattern of behavior so the mods can see.


There should be very little tolerance for people that bait and just lead people on.