P.A :PREACHING about HG!

[Tomla021]

looks like everyone is searching for a holy grail here--good luck to all

[thelaw]

looks like everyone is searching for a holy grail here--good luck to all

Yes, everyone apparently. PA has now gone from preaching to asking for suggestions for bet selection.

Strange for a guy who claimed to have the answers

[Turner]

Yes, everyone apparently. PA has now gone from preaching to asking for suggestions for bet selection.

Strange for a guy who claimed to have the answers

Law
I am similar to you in the fact that I trust no one. I see that. I get your distrust of PA.

However, if you kinda read between the lines, and latch onto some of the things being said here, like from a respected member Atlantis and Chrisbis, sometimes it sparks a thought in your own mind. Sometimes it seems a bit off topic, but the inspiration comes from what you were reading.

I'm not sure I get PA either, and I kinda havnt heard much new, but I took the "look over your shoulder" on variance to the Casino today, and it helped me with a little issue I had with an Idea I use.

Just a thought.

[thelaw]

Law
I am similar to you in the fact that I trust no one. I see that. I get your distrust of PA.

However, if you kinda read between the lines, and latch onto some of the things being said here, like from a respected member Atlantis and Chrisbis, sometimes it sparks a thought in your own mind. Sometimes it seems a bit off topic, but the inspiration comes from what you were reading.

I'm not sure I get PA either, and I kinda havnt heard much new, but I took the "look over your shoulder" on variance to the Casino today, and it helped me with a little issue I had with an Idea I use.

Just a thought.

Hey Turner,

Actually, I trust plenty of members on this forum who have earned it. GLC and Ignatus for example.

Neither of these members have some BS agenda; they are clear and direct in their analysis and share info openly (almost like it's a forum).

As for ideas coming from PA's "preachings", years ago there were a group of researchers who claimed that they found future predictions written in "code" in the Bible using a technology to find patterns within the scriptures.

There was only one problem.............the same technology found hidden patterns in Moby Dick and Oliver Twist.

PA is taking simple ideas and extrapolating them into "sermons" with a bit of flare and showmanship. Hence why Steve popped in, shot them down, yawned, and then popped out. The greed of beating this game has truly reached cult status...............now anyone can be a leader.

Just a friendly reminder: we are now officially 41 pages in with no winning system to beat the game.............only 49 more and we beat the Pattern Breaker thread (remember that jewel).................we're half way there!!!

Meanwhile, guys like Ignatus are putting in real work on beating this game without the smoke and mirrors.

[Turner]

law, respectful, disrespectful...who ever wrote them, all the systems including the ones you mention all tank in the end.

The sheer output of some members does indicate that none of the ideas work any better than any other

Spam and egg with beans,
egg spam beans
beans, beans, spam, egg and spam
eggs, spam, eggs beans and spam

Same old spam eggs and beans, no matter how you present it.

-2.7 HE

it depends what you want I guess.

Well respected members churning out spam egg and beans in various combinations,  or something else a bit more risky where you have to think things out a bit.

[thelaw]

law, respectful, disrespectful...who ever wrote them, all the systems including the ones you mention all tank in the end.

The sheer output of some members does indicate that none of the ideas work any better than any other

Spam and egg with beans,
egg spam beans
beans, beans, spam, egg and spam
eggs, spam, eggs beans and spam

Same old spam eggs and beans, no matter how you present it.

-2.7 HE

it depends what you want I guess.

Well respected members churning out spam egg and beans in various combinations,  or something else a bit more risky where you have to think things out a bit.

Well Turner, as usual, we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Although, if it all ends up the same way, then "thinking about things a bit" will not matter..............I guess we're all doomed...........except those guys who had the Eureka moment and found the HG earlier in the thread.

Wonder what happened to those guys?

[P.A]

Dear TheLaw,
With respect,

I see that u have arsenal of progressions,
that u lament eventually tanked.

YOUR progression tanked, just SIMPLY,
because a certain, VARIANCE SEQUENCES,
that be the ACHILLES' heel.

If only u could WAIT, for that heel, to come, and pass,
and then u bet, u will definitely win, but then again,
your aggressive progression's HUGE LOSSES,
could not be offset by next few session profit...

The more aggressive the progression, the deadlier the losses,
when the Variance hit.

This is why JOHN LEGEND's system, and,  type of progressions,
are DEADLY,
Once hit by the variance, u are doomed.
that the Marthy curse!
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Even though there is no HE, in coin throwing.

DEADLY aggressive progression like martingale, labby, fibo...
Once the variance hit, u just cant recoup the losses, in few session profit,

but if u bet FLAT, then u lose only a few unit,
or even win a few unit, in the course...

and if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.
Hope u understand.

[Steve]

1. No progression will help you win. Progression is just different size bets on different spins, nothing more.


2. Mild progression does not help you ride out losing streak or deal with variance. Every spin is independent, and the odds dont change. Refer back to point 1 above.

Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker

Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower


3. Betting all the ECs does not make play less volatile because:

a. There is no increase in accuracy of prediction in the first place
b. All you have is a bunch of independent bets that each has their own volatility


4. PA still hasnt answered the question how much he has won. It's also clear, as another member pointed out, he doesnt even has a method for bet selection. There is just an idea, and it's classic gambler's fallacy. Nothing being discussed on this thread, by PA or the followers, is anything but fallacy.


5.

and if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.

Nonsense. You cannot just wait for something to occur. Variance is not even an event. It is nothing physical. Even if it was a physical event, waiting for it to occur does not at all change accuracy of predictions. See for yourself and test. Waiting for something, or something being due is one of the oldest most common gambler fallacies. Waiting for "variance to pass" is no different to saying after 10 reds in a row, black is due to spin.


This is going around and around. Followers are free to not listen to reason. But again, people here are wasting their time and PA is misleading people. He is constantly saying things that make it clear he doesnt understand, and is constantly contradicting himself and doesnt even appear to know. Again the only reason I've allowed this to continue is because people will learn more if it is allowed to continue, than if I just removed the topic. But anyone actually following PA needs to listen to reason.

[P.A]

Dear Mr. Steve,
With Due Respect.

I understand your frustration, because, I didnt post a HG here...
I just dont understand why people demand "SHOW ME THE HG!".

This is a respectful forum, for members to discuss, arguing the fact, and show what we 'found'....here, for mutual benefit...

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I am intrigued , why some peoples, seems, only interested to chastise, instead of contributing some ideas, here.
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You say...

[1. No progression will help you win. Progression is just different size bets on different spins, nothing more.]
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I say, aggressive progression, is deadly,
only mild progression, with MATH expectation sequences, could win.
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[2. Mild progression does not help you ride out losing streak or deal with variance. Every spin is independent, and the odds dont change. Refer back to point 1 above.]
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Variance is the major CAUSE, that make u lose, only MATH expectation sequences, with mild progression, can make u win.
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[Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker

Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower]-
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I already say that for many time...
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[3. Betting all the ECs does not make play less volatile because:

a. There is no increase in accuracy of prediction in the first place
b. All you have is a bunch of independent bets that each has their own volatility]
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Betting all SIX EC, is just a testing idea, as we think the variance of a single EC will somehow OFFSET by the other hot hitting streaks.
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[4. PA still hasnt answered the question how much he has won. It's also clear, as another member pointed out, he doesnt even has a method for bet selection. There is just an idea, and it's classic gambler's fallacy. Nothing being discussed on this thread, by PA or the followers, is anything but fallacy.]
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I never ask people how much money the won, nor asking anyone to show his system here.
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  [  and if u wait for VARIANCE to passed, then u win, flatbet.]


[Nonsense. You cannot just wait for something to occur. Variance is not even an event. It is nothing physical. Even if it was a physical event, waiting for it to occur does not at all change accuracy of predictions. See for yourself and test. Waiting for something, or something being due is one of the oldest most common gambler fallacies. Waiting for "variance to pass" is no different to saying after 10 reds in a row, black is due to spin.]
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I never say, wait for RED variance, then, bet BLACK!!!
That what U said!

I say, wait for RED variance, then AFTER it is OVER, then bet RED!
not BLACK!!!

In the non HE coin throwing, we could win flatbet, if we could wait for the variance to hit ....theoretically...
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[This is going around and around. Followers are free to not listen to reason. But again, people here are wasting their time and PA is misleading people. He is constantly saying things that make it clear he doesnt understand, and is constantly contradicting himself and doesnt even appear to know. Again the only reason I've allowed this to continue is because people will learn more if it is allowed to continue, than if I just removed the topic. But anyone actually following PA needs to listen to reason.]
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I say something SIMPLE, then people still cant understand, and I say again, REPETITIVELY, so people can understand the simple thing, but some still REFUSE to accept simple facts!

Do I care?
Why should I care?
Should I?

U are free to remove this topic, as it your prerogative,
members who found value in this thread , already copy and paste in their computer.
And I cant understand, why a topic, that discuss, everything within the math possibility, should be threaten, by a few disgruntled members, just because, they choose to be disgruntle???

I not saying bad about others ideas, or systems...

and only a few people here screaming murder, just because they dont..err..like my thread?


And here the reason, u should delete this thread!

When more people understand how to build a HG, and win constantly, casino will change rules.
And that caused our ideas thrown into drain.
So please, DELETE this thread IMMEDIATELY!!!
Dont LOCKED, as all the ideas here detrimental to casino.
HAHAHAHAWHAWHAWWW!!!


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ONLY , 'WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION SEQUENCE', COULD BE BEATEN BY 'MILD PROGRESSION'!
VARIANCE KILLS EVERY SYSTEMS!
VARIANCE AVOIDANCE, IS THE ONLY WAY TO A HG.
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that statement above worth a million dollar,
I the P.A
The first person, and only person in this world,
to tell you this, how to build a hg, in a forum.
You are doomed, if you cant understand VARIANCE!


and u may recognize my writing style in other forums, same repetitive, and weird English writer...hahahahahawhaw



I had show the selection, show the chart, show the variance avoidance strategy, show this, show that...
still people say I didnt show anything!?
what the...
I just cant understand these people, they just unable to sit still and learn?

I am now, gone forever, from this forum..

[petespin]

recycling all the time the same things doesnt  help at all , too much blaah blaah..... no more intersting! but if u need hg, pm me now, guaranteed to wealth, great wealth:wink:

[Steve]

PA, I dont mean to offend you, but you literally appear deluded. None of your points were accurate or correct. You dont appear to understand basic facts.

You would be leaving the forum probably because your whole HG claims are exposed as nonsense. I dont believe it would be for any other reason.

Many people before you have been exposed for similar nonsense, left, then come back under fake names. It wouldnt at all surprise me if you've been here before many times.

Perhaps on other forums, you wont be asked common sense questions. Maybe you will find less experienced people on other forums.

[Steve]

PA, since you are leaving, I'll respond to your last claims:

I say, aggressive progression, is deadly,
only mild progression, with MATH expectation sequences, could win.

Incorrect. Math sequences are meaningless, like saying RBRRRRB means something. And mild progression or aggressive progression doesn't change anything except:

Aggressive progression = lose bankroll faster
Same as Big bets = lose quicker

Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower

Variance is the major CAUSE, that make u lose, only MATH expectation sequences, with mild progression, can make u win.

Variance has nothing to do with roulette, winning or losing. Variance is statistical talk for saying "what happened before" without any correlation to WHY OR HOW something happened. It's like saying it rains (on average) once per 3 days, then trying to predict the day it will happen without even looking at the weather forecast or any telltale signs. Variance causes nothing. It has no impact on roulette. It cannot be predicted or used. Variance is not a variable. Variance is nothing but a statistic.

And again see what I said about progression.

Mild progression = lose bankroll slower. It's no different to
Same as small bets = lose slower]-
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I already say that for many time...
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Then you dont understand what you are saying. You cannot in any way use variance to increase the accuracy of predictions. Knowing that on average, this or that will will happen X amount of times in X amount of spins does NOT at all help you beat roulette. The variables that make an event happen are not at all related to variance.

Betting all SIX EC, is just a testing idea, as we think the variance of a single EC will somehow OFFSET by the other hot hitting streaks.

Then again you dont understand there is no actually such thing as a "streak" in roulette, unless you are looking in the past, or at a biased wheel (with physical defects). You cannot use predict spin outcomes with statistics alone.

I never ask people how much money the won, nor asking anyone to show his system here.

You cant answer a simple question or give a vague idea of whether or not your HG has produced any success? Why not name the thread "an idea for testing" instead of "HG". You are not preaching anything but your own misconceptions and misunderstandings.

I say, wait for RED variance, then AFTER it is OVER, then bet RED!
not BLACK!!!

Here you're saying you can use variance to predict future spins, but you cannot. You are saying a well-tested and known ineffective approach / fallacy works.

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ONLY , 'WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION SEQUENCE', COULD BE BEATEN BY 'MILD PROGRESSION'!
VARIANCE KILLS EVERY SYSTEMS!
VARIANCE AVOIDANCE, IS THE ONLY WAY TO A HG.
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that statement above worth a million dollar,

Again, progression doesnt help at all. Variance cannot be predicted or used. You cannot avoid variance. It is a statistic on past spins, that tells you nothing about future spins except what you already know, like with a coin toss, ther's a 50/50 chance. There will be "streaks", and they happen within normal expectation. You cannot use these streaks or variance for anything, except in rare cases where there is a statistical anomaly that indicates there is a possible bias. That indicates a physical flaw with a wheel. What you are doing is using plain statistics, with nothing tangible, and giving baseless claims that you can avoid variance. Anyway, big waste of time here. Just circles.

[P.A]

opps! forget the last sermon! hehehe

Expert that has HG must skip this.


This the LAST preach.
After this, there will be no more BORING  posting from me....hehehe
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Ladies, and gentlemen,
This is the last preach, and after this, I will not post or say anything in this respectful forum.

As u had carefully read all my repetitive preachment, u will see that , I always emphasize a few words, as if there no other worthwhile words.

the words are .
1]bet selection, that hit consistently, at H.edge.
2]mild progression.
3]VARIANCE AVOIDANCE.
4]Cut Loss.

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Now, if u look at a very long real casino spins data, many thousand spins, and U choose one EC, say u choose RED.
Then look closely , how the RED BEHAVE, at the long spins.

Say, now u look at the spins, as 50spins INCREMENT,
and look at the WIN/LOSE ratios, of each 50spins increment.

U will see, that VARIANCE and math expectation, will hit alternately...
The only headache, is , we CANNOT predict, or foresee, how long will the Variance goes!

So we try, to look at the 50spins as, a parameter,
What will u see???

1]U will see, math expectation win ratio.
2]U will see, VARIANCE sequences, terrible win ratio.


eg.
U will see,

in the 50spins increment....

very fantastic, say, 40win, to

  bad 15wins , in the 50spins increment.

and u will see the [Variance-50spins-increment],
alternating with, [Within-Math-expectation-50spins-increment]

1][Variance-50spins-increment],
2][Math-expectation-50spins-increment]
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1][Variance-50spins-increment],

is increment, that has very little wins, that it very hard to win with any mild progression, or even IMPOSSIBLE to win, with any AGRRESIVE progression.


2][Math-expectation-50spins-increment]
is increment, that has more wins, than losses, or wins that, less, than losses, but EASILY, win with any mild progression.

All u need is, wait for the bad variance that u do not bet...


and then, a 'within-math-expectation sequences' that u could win easily...with any mild progression...
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Hope u understand.
If u do not understand,
this simply mean that, your basic understanding of betting, need more time to comprehend, just copy these words, and reread them, until u understand.

Raymanz's variance charts, already show how the variance,and math expectation, waves, going up and down, but since the chart very narrow, u see sharp peak, and valley.

Only if u could make the chart wider, then u will see, the wave, slowly, making its way, up, and down.

Then u could see, that we cant predict, and cant foresee, and cant control the waves, we just watch, and follow how the wave BEHAVE, knowing that , variance hit lesser, than the math expectation,. and act accordingly.

Bet when the Variance is over, and get-out, and wait for next bad variance, and repeat...with cut loss strategy...

It take a time to understand variance, like it takes time for people to study medicine, laws, architecture,airline pilot, etc..

it is not ,like, I tell u a few finer points, and off you go and make money in casino!!!

Thanks Ladies and Gentlemen,
for your enthusiasm, and patient to learn.

This is good-bye time,
and all I can say,
it takes time, to understand and build a hg,
your HG.
FAREWELL...

[Steve]

[Chrisbis]

@Steve.........
Quality timing!
(On the picture)

@P.A.
Its been and interesting banana boat ride for sure.
At the very least you made some of us think about the game differently.
Take care P.A.
Post something new soon, don't hide away in obscurity .