A fun system for trend players.

[Bayes]

This even-chance system tries to "follow the wheel" and take advantage of any "elegant" patterns which may arise.

You need some history before you start playing -  at least one delimited streak on either side,  but after that there is no waiting for triggers - you play every spin.  The method is trying to adapt to what the wheel is doing, so in a way it is a trend following type of approach, as you will see.

Here we go:

B
B
  R
B
B
  R

At this point I'm ready to make a bet.  The idea is to look at both sides INDEPENDENTLY, and you're looking at the length of streak which occurred LAST - the last completed streak.  We are always going to bet that the length of streak which occurred on that side will repeat (there is more than that, but this is the basic approach).

So here we look back on the RED side and see that the last "streak" was a single R.  At the moment we have a single R, but we don't know how this will end (Red may continue to become a streak of 2 or more, or it may go back to Black, creating another single of Red).  So because the last event on the Red side was a single, we bet that this will repeat so the first bet was on Black.

Red came up again, so this was a loss:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R

Now, this is the second part of the bet selection: You can no longer bet that the previous streak will repeat because we now have 2 reds in a row, and the previous streak was a single red, so we have missed the chance.  What we do now is simply bet that the current streak of 2 reds in a row will CONTINUE, so we bet Red.

Result:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R

A win.  Once again, there is no point in looking at the previous streak because it was a single, and we are now at 3 reds in a row, so we just continue to bet on the same outcome which occurred last, and this rule always applies.  So bet are again:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B  

A loss.  We now need to look back at the last streak on the Black side (forget about what Red is doing, always only look at each side independent of the other).  We see that the last streak on Black side was a streak of 3, so we bet for this to repeat - bet on Black:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B

A win.  The next bet is again on Black because we are betting that the current streak will be the same as the last one (a streak of 3), and so far we only have a streak of 2:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R

A loss.  Now we focus on the Red side again.  The last streak on the red side was a streak of 3, so we bet that the next outcome will be Red, hoping that we will get another streak of 3:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B

A loss. We now see that the last streak on the Black side was a streak of 2, so we bet that the next outcome will be another Black:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B

Win.  Now we need to bet Red, because we're hoping the current streak will be a streak of 2, and this will be true if Red comes up next:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
  R

Win.  Now look back to the last Red event.  It was a single, so we bet that this will repeat and bet that the next outcome is Black:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
  R
B

Win.  Again we see that the last streak occurring on the Black side was a streak of 2, so we bet Black, hoping for another streak of 2.

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
  R
B
B

Win.  Now we bet Red:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
B

Loss.  Now when we look back we see that we can't bet for the last streak on the black side to repeat, because the current streak is longer than 2, so we switch to the second rule and bet that the current streak will continue - bet Black:

B
B
  R
B
B
B
  R
  R
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
  R
B
B
B
B

Win.

I hope you're starting to get the idea.  The outcomes on the even chances tend to clump together, so you get stretches where they are running "streaky" and "choppy", and also periods when one side is more dominant than the other, and this system attempts to take advantage of all these things, as well as repeating patterns.  The other day I got a sequence of:

R
R
   B
R
R
   B
R
R
   R
R
R
   B
R
R
   B
R
R
   B

I won 15 consecutive bets.  Now, this won't happen that often, but there other patterns repeating all the time, and this bet selection is ready to jump on them as soon as they begin.

Note
This won't win flat betting, but it does generate some very nice winning streaks, so you could try some kind of positive progression - works nicely with the "Trioplay" MM.

It may look like FTL, but that's only incidental to the main bet. You default  to FTL when you can make no other bet, but the main part of the system bets for the preceding streak to repeat (on both sides). That means you're not 'targeting' any particular pattern, but playing them as they arise. So you win on:

R
   B
R
   B
R 

and

B
B
   R
B
B
   R

and

R
R
   B
   B
   B
R
R
   B
   B
   B
R
R

and

R
   B
   B
   B
R
   B
   B
   B
R

And any other repeating pattern, whether the repeat is on one or both sides.

And because FTL is used a lot, it keeps you on the right side in strong deviations. You will still get losing runs of 8,9,10 and stretches where you can do nothing but lose, but with this approach I've never seen a bad slump immediately following a bad slump, the kind of thing which creates havoc with your bankroll.

[GLC]

Bayes,

Thanks for the system.

You're right, it's a fun way to play and it can generate some profits.

I also like the suggestion to use the TrioPlay MM plan rather than the D'Alembert, Labby or some other common bet plan.

I think I'll try it with the bread winner's MM plan and see if it will grind out 10 units on a regular basis.

I think this is a good way to bet randomly.

Cheers,

George

[Gizmotron]

You'll get no argument from me. I find all your conclusions logical. There is a layer of logic missing so far. You are staring right at it and yet you don't see it yet. Some day you will. You know how to make adjustments to the trends you see. You have made no logical conclusions on how to deal with downturns and double, back to back, downturns. Trends are not enough. They are just selection reasons for making the next bets.

[malcop]

Hi All,

Have a look at the attached session I just finished playing, +20 flat betting ended session at spin 114

First of all I used exactly the same rules as Bayes except instead of using the B/R I used the O/T

When you look at the Roulette Score-sheet in the in the SC column an O or T, at the end of each spin/hand I recorded next to the result whether the hand/spin was won with OTB4 or TB4L

Now once you have enough O's and T's you can start to use the trend method using the O's and T's

Remember forget about Blacks and Reds we are only interested in following the trend of the O's and T's.

Based of the OT trend you will be betting either TB4L or OTB4L.

You see it works because TB4L and OTB4L work in trends exactly the same as B/R

I'm going to try and play another two sessions tonight to see if this idea holds up.

Thanks

malcop

[Blood Angel]

OTB4L and TB4L??
Excuse my ignorance but what are they?  

[malcop]

OTB4L and TB4L??
Excuse my ignorance but what are they?  

OTB4L = Opposit Time Before Last and TB4L = Time Before Last

[malcop]

Hi All,

I said I would try and get two sessions in playing my variation of bayes system.

I only managed one session it was very long and lasted 140 spins, up to spin 122 this session stayed mostly in negative with a low of -9, and by 152 session ended +10.


Thanks

malcop

[Blood Angel]

OTB4L = Opposit Time Before Last and TB4L = Time Before Last

Thank you 

[monaco]

You'll get no argument from me. I find all your conclusions logical. There is a layer of logic missing so far. You are staring right at it and yet you don't see it yet. Some day you will. You know how to make adjustments to the trends you see. You have made no logical conclusions on how to deal with downturns and double, back to back, downturns. Trends are not enough. They are just selection reasons for making the next bets.

Using Bayes original method, I've tried a couple of sessions where, after 3 consecutive losses, I switch to backing the L's. It seems to work well when things get choppy between doubles & singles.

After 3 losses on the L's, i switch back to the W's.

[ego]

You'll get no argument from me. I find all your conclusions logical. There is a layer of logic missing so far. You are staring right at it and yet you don't see it yet. Some day you will. You know how to make adjustments to the trends you see. You have made no logical conclusions on how to deal with downturns and double, back to back, downturns. Trends are not enough. They are just selection reasons for making the next bets.

I qoute this as i think it is so funny - i know shit and tell shit and belive me i know better garbage.
Boring.

It is a nice topic and i think it is a cool method.

[albertojonas]

2
1
1
2
1w
1w
2w
1w
2l
2l
2w
2w
2w
2w
2w
2w
2w
2w
2w
1l


looks good 4 me

[monaco]

you run in to trouble with 1s & 2s intermingling:

1
2
1
1 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 L
1 L
2 L
1 W
1 L etc..

I've played with this selection quite a bit & you will run in to losses of 7 or 8 in a row if you play it mechanically as Bayes pointed out in his first post, but it catches any kind of pattern like you wouldnt believe & also manages to incorporate FTL, so its a thumbs up for me.

[warrior]

You'll get no argument from me. I find all your conclusions logical. There is a layer of logic missing so far. You are staring right at it and yet you don't see it yet. Some day you will. You know how to make adjustments to the trends you see. You have made no logical conclusions on how to deal with downturns and double, back to back, downturns. Trends are not enough. They are just selection reasons for making the next bets.

ENLIGHTEN US.

[vladir]

Very nice indeed... Do you have any statistic data on this method, like for example how many consecutive losses you had?

Cheers and thanks for sharing

[Gizmotron]

ENLIGHTEN US.

Go to the other VLS forum. Look at the section on the study of randomness. The thread "Grail of Randomness "

You will have your answer there. It's currently 3 pages so far. The answer to why trends are just bet selection tools is explained.

Ego's comment above is lacking in any substance of value. His advice should be questioned as suspicious.