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Az_MAX · Jan 21, 12:54 AM 2016

It is randomly selected by me and also depending on previous spins.
On goal in triples to win in D1 or in D2. if won on D1 then no more bet against triple

tuddilue · Jan 21, 08:00 AM 2016

Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 20, 01:56 PM 2016
Just played airball for real money, EU wheel, here is results and my bets:

Start. First play against 312
8 (Win 1u, no bets) +1 Net
27 (bet on 1-3 against unique)
16 (Loss -2U, next bet against 221) -1 Net
24 (Loss - 4U, continue betting) -5 Net
12 (Win +3, bet on 2-1 against unique) -2 Net
20 (Win +2, bet against 133) 0 Net
3 (Loss -2, continue) -2 Net
13 (Win +2, bet against unique) 0 Net
35 (Loss -2, bet against 322) -2 Net
24 (Win +2, no bets) 0 Net
9 (bet against unique)
1 (Win + 1, bet against 313) + 1 Net
0 (Loss -2, no bets) -1 Net
34 (no bets)
12 (bets against 121)
35 (Win +2) +1 Net
13 (bet against unique)
35 (Win +1, bet against 111) + 2 Net
22 (Win +1) + 3 Net
0
20 (bet against 233)
18 (Loss - 2, continue) +1 Net
21 (Win + 2) + 3 Net
10 (bet against 131)
29 (Win +1) + 4 Net
3 (bet against unique)
19 (loss -2, bet against 112) +2 Net
32 (Win +2) +4 Net
23 (bet against unique)
36 ( Win +1) + 5 Net , bet against 132
7 (loss-2) +3 Net
8 (Win+2) +5 Net
34 bet against 232
26 (Win +1) + 6 Net
22 bet against unique
15 (Win +1) +7 Net , bet against 222
14 (Loss -2) +5
36 (Win +2) +7 Net
26 (Win +1) + 8 Net, bet against 123
30 (Win +1) +9 Net
10
12 (Win +1) + 10 Net, play against 111
6 (loss -2) +8 Net
32 (Win +2) +10 Net
20 (Loss -2) + 8 Net, play against 213
18 (Loss-4) +4 Net
18 (Win + 3) +7 Net
21 , play against 122
19 (win +2) + 9 Net, stop playing

49 spins, 23 W, 12 l, not the good result but anyway +9 profit

One small question, what do you mean with "bet against unique"?
Otherwise impressive result and interesting play!

Az_MAX · Jan 21, 08:22 AM 2016

Quote from: tuddilue on Jan 21, 08:00 AM 2016
One small question, what do you mean with "bet against unique"?

Bet against 123, 132, 213, 231, 321, 312
For example, if D1 is 1 and D2 is 2, so i bet against 3 impressive result and interesting play!

RouletteGhost · Jan 21, 08:55 AM 2016

Ill help explain

Bet against one of the combos he has mentioned

If the 1st 2 spins are unique bet against 3rd being unique

So say you choose 132

Bet against 132

2 shows. We win on first spin. Dont bet next spin. Sit out next 2 wait for next row

Then 1 shows. Oh well now we have 21 thats 2 unique

Now bet 2 and 1 betting against 3 wont show

tuddilue · Jan 21, 09:00 AM 2016

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 08:55 AM 2016
Ill help explain

Bet against one of the combos he has mentioned

If the 1st 2 spins are unique bet against 3rd being unique

So say you choose 132

Bet against 132

2 shows. We win on first spin. Dont bet next spin. Sit out next 2 wait for next row

Then 1 shows. Oh well now we have 21 thats 2 unique

Now bet 2 and 1 betting against 3 wont show

That was clever. Yes now I understand, thanks RG!

RouletteGhost · Jan 21, 09:04 AM 2016

No prob

Az_MAX · Jan 21, 11:57 AM 2016

Many thanks RG for proper explanation

Az_MAX · Jan 21, 03:16 PM 2016

Played today, not a good result:

111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1

-6 Net

mogul397 · Jan 21, 03:37 PM 2016

Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:16 PM 2016
Played today, not a good result:

111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1

-6 Net

You've got a couple really nice win streaks in there. Just that
you're betting less on them, and losing more on the losses.

Az_MAX · Jan 21, 03:52 PM 2016

Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 21, 03:37 PM 2016
You've got a couple really nice win streaks in there. Just that
you're betting less on them, and losing more on the losses.

Yeah, using flat betting will give -2 at the end, but using positive progression like Marty will give a good profit but it is too risky.

mogul397 · Jan 21, 04:30 PM 2016

Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:52 PM 2016
Yeah, using flat betting will give -2 at the end, but using positive progression like Marty will give a good profit but it is too risky.

To rehash old news, my last serious testing jaunt was last fall. I was playing
variations of the last two dozen with a labby. It worked like a charm and then
fell apart like a charm for 3 sessions in a row. It was the "in the row" part that
bothered me.

So I've been in this up to my neck for a while now. I was on paper, but seeing
that was a real kick in the balls. Glad I tested first anyway.

But it would seem that those win streaks are not hard to find. I was adjusting
bets where, when I had a loss, I was playing last and 3rd back, and two losses and
back to last two. I'll have to look back at my data.

But you're losing too much (2-1) on the higher losses to catch up. But I like the
notion that you don't need to catch up in 1-2 spins or something. Perhaps
something in between.

RouletteGhost · Jan 21, 06:13 PM 2016

Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:16 PM 2016
Played today, not a good result:

111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1

-6 Net

can i suggest not betting every spin

perhaps only the 1st one or two bets of each 3 spin series

maybe a minor progression of 1 2 or maybe a leveller of 1 2 and stay at 2 until back even

or a d'amblert only on 1st 2 bets of each series

surely MM can beat that

moving target is GOOD

mogul397 · Jan 21, 07:20 PM 2016

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 06:13 PM 2016
can i suggest not betting every spin

perhaps only the 1st one or two bets of each 3 spin series

maybe a minor progression of 1 2 or maybe a leveller of 1 2 and stay at 2 until back even

or a d'amblert only on 1st 2 bets of each series

surely MM can beat that

moving target is GOOD

I agree. I think the results are fine. It's the MM that's wrong.
But we may be reaching some middle ground between suicide and
complacency.

Az_MAX · Jan 22, 06:43 AM 2016

Will try to do today some more test on airball.
Also want to test unique moving target with airball. And maybe test moving targets not only for dozen, for even bets.

mogul397 · Jan 22, 11:41 AM 2016

Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 22, 06:43 AM 2016
Will try to do today some more test on airball.
Also want to test unique moving target with airball. And maybe test moving targets not only for dozen, for even bets.

The problem that you can see is double sided. It would be great to bet more
when you're winning. But not when you're losing, which is what the original
method suggests.

Maybe a "close to the chest" pos parlay like we were doing.

1,1 (win 1) ---- 1,1 (win 1, up 2, increase to 2 units)-----
2,2 (Win 2 units. Add them to get to 3 unit bet)
3,3 (add last 2 units to bet. Win 3 units)---- 4,4 (add 2 of those
3 you just won. Win 4).....

So 1,1,2,3,4

That would have worked TWICE in the earlier example where the
result was bad. Two nice win streaks.

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