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#### Bigbroben

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#### DoctorSudoku

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Hello DoctorSudoku,

1) These numbers came from a single zero wheel.

2) They don't necessarily need to be continuous repeats. A gap of 1 is fine.

From another game.....

30 col c
18 col c
26
30 col c (repeat)
31
36 col c
22
27 col c

The numbers last night just happened to come out in a continuous fashion which is great for maximizing things. Even after the 11 and 2....14 and 29 appeared and the 29 was a repeat. What I mean by a repeat is that the specific number has made a previous appearance in my list. I am trying to capture hot numbers but in a cluster so that I can play up the winnings over a short space of time. So it's a type of positive progression instead of playing a negative style where you can stretch things out a bit more. My reasoning is that if it's hot, it's hot and you might as well go for it.

If you want to be a bit more conservative, you can group things into the sixlines.
I convert the columns into six lines in the following way....

Line 1: 1,4,7,10,13,16
Line 2: 19,22,25,28,31,34
Line 3: 2,5,8,11,14,17
Line 4: 20,23,26,29,32,35
Line 5: 3,6,9,12,15,18
Line 6: 21,24,27,30,33,36

So in the numbers above....

30 col c (line 6)
18 col c (line 5)
26
30 col c (line 6)
31
36 col c (line 6)
22
27 col c (line 6)

So the 6 line (21,24,27,30,33,36) is dominant.

cheers

Wiggy,
That is an interesting twist you have introduced above with your "columns" version of double streets or sixlines.

Unconventional (or nonstandard) groupings can sometimes reveal unconventional (or nonstandard) patterns -- as in your example above.

Of course, whether they are  exploitable or not for making profits is  open to debate (which, in other words, means more testing
is required    ).

What is the fastest way of destroying your bankroll at the casino?

Play roulette with GLC's progressions.

#### Still

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You're facts are muddy, confused, and or just poorly reported.  I'm sure it's not all your fault.  People often misreport what they don't understand when writing a story.

I watched a documentary video of some sort.  It might have been misdocumented.  Anythings possible, but retro computing is a hobby of mine so i think i'd remember he used a program he wrote himself on a 16 bit computer.  Anybody's guess what data it processed, but the cover story was it processed the distribution of the falls.

How are you so sure you know otherwise?

#### The General

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I watched a documentary video of some sort.  It might have been misdocumented.  Anythings possible, but retro computing is a hobby of mine so i think i'd remember he used a program he wrote himself on a 16 bit computer.  Anybody's guess what data it processed, but the cover story was it processed the distribution of the falls.

How are you so sure you know otherwise?

When it comes to AP play I'm at the top of my game.  I've been banned from more casinos and in more gaming investigations then most people have been in casinos.

The only reason to have used a computer would have been  to plot a graph of the numbers as they lay on the wheel, showing how many times each number had hit.
Back during that time period ballistic computers were around, but they were terribly inefficient and vb without one was much more effective.

In short you there was no real benefit to using a computer at that time.  It was just a gimmick to enhance the story by the network
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#### Still

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When it comes to AP play I'm at the top of my game.  I've been banned from more casinos and in more gaming investigations then most people have been in casinos.

The only reason to have used a computer would have been  to plot a graph of the numbers as they lay on the wheel, showing how many times each number had hit.
Back during that time period ballistic computers were around, but they were terribly inefficient and vb without one was much more effective.

In short you there was no real benefit to using a computer at that time.  It was just a gimmick to enhance the story by the network

Yah the first one...the distribution of the ball falls around the wheel.  Frequency of hits in sectors.  The software indicated where ball was falling beyond random.  So they were scouting, as a family, wheels, logging the ball drops, what numbers were hitting.

Have not heard how this is a gimmick.

#### The General

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Yah the first one...the distribution of the ball falls around the wheel.  Frequency of hits in sectors.  The software indicated where ball was falling beyond random.  So they were scouting, as a family, wheels, logging the ball drops, what numbers were hitting.

Have not heard how this is a gimmick.

There's a lot of information missing there.  The family was Pelayo.  There have been many biased wheel teams outside of the Pelayos that were far more successful.  For example the Jackie Newton/Billy Walters team and Dr. Jareki family.  Pelayo had some mediocre success for a while in Spain but lost in the US.  Teams in the US won 10 times more than they did.  Pelayos became known only because they went public with one of their gambling disputes.

In short, they merely collect 15k spins on every wheel and played the numbers that hit the most based on simple standard deviation calculations.
They graphed the numbers possibly using the computer at times, but usually just on a piece of paper.  Graphing the number of times a number has hit, as it lays on the wheel, is pretty simple stuff.  Biased wheel players like the Pelayos have been around since the 1800s and even earlier.

When they say that, "The software indicated where ball was falling beyond random." What they really mean is, the software pointed out the biased numbers that were distributed around the wheel.  The software was very likely just creating a simple standard deviation graph of the wheel.  The software had nothing to do, whatsoever with finding a dominant ball drop deflector or zone on the wheel as it relates to visual ballistics.  Graphing and biased software is all over the internet.  It's just simple formulas dropped into an Excel spreadsheet.
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#### Still

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There's a lot of information missing there.  The family was Pelayo.  There have been many biased wheel teams outside of the Pelayos that were far more successful.  For example the Jackie Newton/Billy Walters team and Dr. Jareki family.  Pelayo had some mediocre success for a while in Spain but lost in the US.  Teams in the US won 10 times more than they did.  Pelayos became known only because they went public with one of their gambling disputes.

In short, they merely collect 15k spins on every wheel and played the numbers that hit the most based on simple standard deviation calculations.
They graphed the numbers possibly using the computer at times, but usually just on a piece of paper.  Graphing the number of times a number has hit, as it lays on the wheel, is pretty simple stuff.  Biased wheel players like the Pelayos have been around since the 1800s and even earlier.

When they say that, "The software indicated where ball was falling beyond random." What they really mean is, the software pointed out the biased numbers that were distributed around the wheel.  The software was very likely just creating a simple standard deviation graph of the wheel.  The software had nothing to do, whatsoever with finding a dominant ball drop deflector or zone on the wheel as it relates to visual ballistics.  Graphing and biased software is all over the internet.  It's just simple formulas dropped into an Excel spreadsheet.

That's basically what i was trying to say.  Right, i doubt it had to do with deflectors, and it would have been a desktop 16 bit computer, not anything taken into the casino.

The drops are related to the deflectors though.  And you seem to be saying just look for a dominant deflector to target a sector?

And that is done by sight, not data?

#### The General

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That's basically what i was trying to say.  Right, i doubt it had to do with deflectors, and it would have been a desktop 16 bit computer, not anything taken into the casino.

The drops are related to the deflectors though.  And you seem to be saying just look for a dominant deflector to target a sector?

And that is done by sight, not data?

Right there is where the confusion exists.  A biased drop zone aka a dominate ball drop is what vb players exploit for visual ballistics.  A dominant ball drop is observed without a computer over a very short period of time and it really has very little effect on wheel bias.

Wheel bias is very different from vb.  Much of the time it's the result of poor wheel assemble, such as a loose lobe/ section of the wheel that abnormally absorbs energy from the bouncing ball on the wheel.  This causes individual number bias and sometimes section bias on the wheel.  There are many different causes of wheel bias.  Wheel bias can be spotted in many situations without wheel tracking.  For example, poor assembly can sometimes be spotted when you know what  to exactly look for, without recording data.
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#### Nimo

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Wheel bias is very different from vb.  Much of the time it's the result of poor wheel assemble, such as a loose lobe/ section of the wheel that abnormally absorbs energy from the bouncing ball on the wheel.  This causes individual number bias and sometimes section bias on the wheel.  There are many different causes of wheel bias.  Wheel bias can be spotted in many situations without wheel tracking.  For example, poor assembly can sometimes be spotted when you know what  to exactly look for, without recording data.

This is a quote from Steve about bias posted on this forum:

Back 30 years ago it was very different. Many casino staff didnt have much idea about wheel bias. To them a bias player would look like someone playing lucky numbers. Plus there were far more biased wheels around. So turning \$2000 into \$1m in a year was possible. But doung that now wpuld take so much more work that it would be more viable to get a 9-5 job.
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#### Nimo

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More from Steve:

Overall, bias is a waste of time unless you are surrounded by many casinos with old technology and very lazy staff. Even then there are far more viable options.
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#### Turner

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Notto
TFFT....Pellegrini is a top manager. More wins to come.
BTW.....
Do you have any fixed odd terminal spins. Lots if possible

#### Still

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At last after all the comedy above a sensible reply.
Still, you say,no perceivable bias to either side, exactly, most games gives 50/50 over the 30 spins, 11-40, 15 non-hit and 15 repeats.
Everyone listen i dont KTF, i just watch the 30 spins, bet for  repeat or non-hit.
It's not hard with, 7,5,3 coming.
This from the Germans Data of 20757 live spins

Not quite sure how to interpret the data you shared.  But at three checkpoints, you will either be over, or under average for the repeats and/or for the non-hits.

So are you saying you are betting on a return to the mean (back to the average)?

So for example, you have two more non-hits than average at a checkpoint. So you start betting on repeats?

Are you adjusting at each checkpoint, or at each spin?

I'm trying to get some information that i can plug into my Excel sims.

#### nottophammer

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I'm trying to get some information that i can plug into my Excel sims.
Hello Still.
KTF started back in 2016.
It was just from observation, that more often than not you can make 50 units.
I found for me best to  use +1/-1.
On numerious occasions i have said i just watch how the non-hit are hitting. Now from 4 different sets of data the average for spins 11-40 is 15.7 non-hit.
The wrong part on my behalf is to round down to 15; i round down as 15 would be half the 30 spins. Which is to perfect to be true.

Now the above is 660 sets of 185 #'s from Random.org and it looks much the same.

I'll post this and carry on in another reply as might time out
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#### nottophammer

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So i let 10 spins go to find out how many non-hit are left.
We can see the expected is 15 non-hit for next 30 spins.

How are the 15 non-hit likely to come? Should it not be 5,5,5? But you see it's more likely to be 7,5,3

So i remember what GUT says at spin 13 could have had 2 repeats, if you look at 8/10 here its happened 179 out of the 660, but 9/10 is the greater; so 1 repeat to me should be there.
So spin 11 is decision time or guess time for the general in this case scenario; to me its better to wait and watch for repeats to happen, if 2 repeats have come say by spin 15, theres 5 spins left, for 1 more repeat to the average of 7,+2

At the same time, there's the average to hit and consideration to max to hit;

So you see, how you going to add the thought or guess to your excel.

You can see their averages to hit up to the 19th non-hit is 2 spins, but its the max to consider as well

spin1, 468
spin2, 143

thats the average to hit

So Still you build in your decisions

See how far back the 8 came is there 3 spins there?

i'll leave it to you and Big Bro Ben
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Wheel bias is very different from vb.  Much of the time it's the result of poor wheel assemble, such as a loose lobe/ section of the wheel that abnormally absorbs energy from the bouncing ball on the wheel.

What the hell. This man is just crazy. R u looking for loose bolt

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