You aint go to believe it

[nottophammer]

Me i still like crossing off 15 and betting the 22 that comes out

KTF is just betting non-hits starting with the 37 that have not hit.KTF starts after 10 spins, from testing it's usually to bet at spin 11 with the remaining 28 that have not hit.
So you are just starting later, betting the 22 non-hit that have not come,Hope this helps Mogul,Are you betting with +1/-1?

[nottophammer]

1st game of 2017 for jackpot. KTF off to a flyer +68. Flatbet remaining 9 non-hit at spin 55, 2 spins win +18. Now like RG said in profit so stop? or do you carry on? if yes, another win, 2 spins later,+38.
So do you stop? if you have to carry on because of the greedy gambler in you/us, next 5 spins is 7*5=35 so now only +3. What if you bet and it comes in, 42 out, return 36, so minus 6 on the bet, but you'd still be +32.


23rd spin 15th non-hit, so the 22 non-hit won the next bet

[RayManZ]

Is there a stoploss? Or just flatbet till all 37 numbers have hit?

[nottophammer]

Is there a stoploss? Or just flatbet till all 37 numbers have hit?

Hi Ray
As the tester only goes to 110 spins not likely to see all 37 hit.

All i'm showing here is how just flat betting the last 9 non-hits, is making a profit. I found 9 non-hit better than waiting for the last 12 non-hit, from the 300 average document. The 400 doc is about a month away and we can then see if the extra 100 games has made a profit, or eaten into the profit shown in the 300.

I like RG's contribution of as soon as in profit, take it and start again. You would think profit early in the bet could be lost if you carry on,so RG's statement is correct to me.
Bellagio in Ignatus topic said +1,stop, so it seems take the 1st profit. 

[nottophammer]

This is the 1/1/17 posted early in the topic.


the 1732 is the cost of bets upto the 31/12/16 and the return is 1872, +140, so the outlay is 293, return is 216 for flatbet. now the totals show profit has dropped to +63

[nottophammer]

Todays game with mort's numbers, profit is back to +136

[mogul397]

Yes notto, I think I kind of understood it and RG was kind enough to confirm it.

So I tracked numbers til I had the 9 unhit.  And as my more recent post
(reply # 54) I tracked the 9 numbers and got maybe 3 hits pretty quick,
and then it fell off.

But mainly, not sure what I'm looking at in your tests where you get nearly
every spin a hit!!!!

[nottophammer]

I tracked the 9 numbers and got maybe 3 hits pretty quick,

So flat betting the 9 remaining wins, then you bet the remaining 8 with flatbet and i presume it won and maybe betting for the remaining 7 flat won with profit from the three, So you need to find your stop point.
All i'm showing with Mort's numbers is flat bet which every expert tells us we must use, is winning.
The 300 average document shows flat betting the last remaining 9 non-hit, is winning.

How/when you stop you'll have to find for yourself.

Yesterday using Morts numbers the profit dropped, but if you look to the post above, today it is now just 4 units short of the previous high, good luck.

[mogul397]

Notto,

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.

And as I look at your examples they make a bit more sense.
Reply 61 shows you tracking til spin 55 til you play this?

What I don't understand is all the betting and bankroll stuff leading
up to it.  It has nothing to do with this and blew me out of the water.


Reply 45 is another example of this. No idea what you're doing and unlike reply 61,
it's just a running stream of playing.  I don't get it.

[mogul397]

So I just ran pg 222 from zumma. When I got my 9 numbers,
3 hits seem typical in the near term.

So how do you generate a profit from this, as you're losing chips
in the losses that add up?

[nottophammer]

Notto,

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.

And as I look at your examples they make a bit more sense.
Reply 61 shows you tracking til spin 55 til you play this?

What I don't understand is all the betting and bankroll stuff leading
up to it.  It has nothing to do with this and blew me out of the water. Ah i see, What is posted is Priyanks tester for KTF, i use it to show how the non-hit have come and whether KTF made the 50/+50, so you can see in column Non-hit count when the remaining 9 non-hit are left


Reply 45 is another example of this. No idea what you're doing and unlike reply 61,
it's just a running stream of playing.  I don't get it.

[nottophammer]

So how do you generate a profit from this, as you're losing chips
in the losses that add up?

When the last remaining 9 non-hit show, you flatbet 9 units, if it wins on the 1st attempt, would you keep going or take the 27 units.
Two examples have been shown and winning, with the flatbet that all the experts say must be used and will probably lose.

You can find the 300 document in KTF post 1400 something and if you look further back theres the 200 game document, check the 200 game on remaining 9 non-hit, then do the same for the 300, you'll see if theres a gain in profit.

Only just started posting Morts games, but from 9 games its +136 units thats a £1 unit, make it 5 or 10 unit then you'll be interested

[mogul397]

I type in and post replies. And they vanish. Don't show up!!!!!!!!

WHY??

All my typing gone!!!!

[mogul397]

Anyway, I did page 226 from zumma. Took exactly 60 spins
to get the numbers.

Abbreviated results (lost post where I typed it all in).

9 numbers were 7,12,13,19,20,25,26,35,00.

You can look and see the hits on page 227. 
3 hits in the first few spins left a profit of 36 unit.
Less than 10 spins.

[mogul397]

OK. This time page 240 in zumma. Took 61 spins to get
9 unhit.

The numbers are 1,3,9,10,13,17,24,25,33.

From page 241 after the first number 20.

15
23
35
35
18
0
21
36
23
30
10 Hit!
9  HIT!
23
4
14
8
11
25  HIT
19
6
30
18


2 hits in 11 spins. Not as good.

About 100 units bet and 70 returned.