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The Three Musketeers

Started by Thunder Pants, Jan 16, 07:05 PM 2017

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Thunder Pants

Idea: Single EC bet that can be any of the three Red/Black, High/Low or Even/Uneven will change. Look at the last 4 numbers and from them judge what next to play on.

Logic: The wheel should produce a fair evenly spread number of each EC bet, especially over long time. However as we all know a single EC bet can easily streak/chain short term and is a common event. 2 EC's streaking at the same time (aka like getting 10x Red High in a row) is virtually unseen. At the same time when a single EC's is streaking (Lets say Red) you will notice that the other 2 EC's (High/low and Even/uneven) is bound to change even more frequently aka you could say its the streaks "upkeep"-condition. So lets try to set up a strategy that try to take advantage of the logic of the EC changing while try to keep us clear of the streaks themselves.

The bet: single bet on one EC that we think will change judging from the last upto 3 hit numbers. Progression: 1,2,STOP. Bankroll: 50 units more than enough if its just 1 & 2 units bets.

Rules (set in stone):
1: Does the last 4 numbers steak in any way, like 4x RED in a row? then you must NOT bet that EC until its done streaking (aka dont bet on Black).
2. Has the exact same number hit twice in a row then pause betting for at least 2 spins.

Procedure: look at the last 3 numbers repeat EC like 3x RED? Then bet that the next will be BLACK. If no EC is the same on the last 3 numbers is there any on the last 2? Like the last 2x is both HIGH, then bet the next will be LOW. If you have two EC both being the same for the last 3 or 2 choose the one that you think "in demand" (is that the right word? aka "not in surplus"i guess) judging from the last 10-12 hits. If no EC follows in 3 or 2, aka the numbers are "perfectly balanced in the last 3 numbers then wait a turn.

Example play: The last 4 numbers is: 22B (latest), 28B , 13B, 14R has hit. The last 2 numbers is Even & High so bet 1 unit that the next number is Uneven (judged from last 10 numbers). Next number that hits is 11B and i win 1 unit. However now we have 4 Black numbers in a row 11B, 22B, 28B, 13B, so i must not bet Red will happen. Looking at the last 3 there is neither 3 nor 2 of the other EC that follows (is unchanged). So wait for next number. Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both Even so i bet that the next number is Uneven.

Testing: ive had 3 session so far on 2 different wheels (online live) and so far it has faired quite ok. Had a small win on all 3 sessions, but its a grind though. No scary quick swings down, even though you can play a bit getting nowhere, but in the end it slowly goes up. I guess there is room for improvement and the procedure isnt "set in stone" so you could argue betting both if 2 EC has potential to change. And if you want to fiddle with the progression like 1,3 or 2,5 instead is probably quite viable. However its quite clear that you should not mess with the 2 rules. Had some 10+ streaks that would easily eaten a large chunk of the bankroll had i continued betting on the steaking EC. Likewise go get a cup of coffee if you see the same number hit twicein a row. Not that its as devastating but it does mess with the EC like if 1R hit 3 times within like 6 spins it can mess things up a little. Only thing i can see go wrong is if you use too large unit size or break the progression and try to go higher steps.

Priyanka

Very nicely written.  Good luck with this.


Quote from: Thunder Pants on Jan 16, 07:05 PM 2017At the same time when a single EC's is streaking (Lets say Red) you will notice that the other 2 EC's (High/low and Even/uneven) is bound to change even more frequently aka you could say its the streaks "upkeep"-condition.
Am not sure of this though.  I have often seen two ECs streak.  When I say often, I mean very common. 

By the way what is the progression you use?
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bleep24

Hi Thunder Pants,

Firstly, good luck with your idea.

I have been looking at something similar (back posts on this forum are a wealth of ideas/info.)     Can I refer you to MM August 7, 2012.  `Progression needed for playing on all EC`s at same time`    The most interesting reply is by Flatino: #8   August 8th, 2012.  but there are also a couple of other good relevant posts.   

I have looked at triggers for everything under the sun and come to the conclusion that 9 times out of 10 they work but the tenth time is when you encounter the RFH.    I have been playing all 3 EC`s at same time with FTL and using Flatino`s staking.     EC`s will average 50%:  Dozens will average 33% etc. etc. so mainly it is a waste of time looking for triggers because you will just end up at about average anyway.

I have been testing playing all 3 EC`s with FTL and Flatinos progression.   You know exactly what to bet and how much to stake each time and so far it has held up very well and and stakes have not gone above 5 units on each EC  (3 x 5)   so is an easy and relatively stress free way of playing.
No tracking and easy to record where your stake is at.  You do not usually see all 3 EC`s streaking or chopping at the same time and believe that this is what makes it a powerful way of playing.  This progression is what I call the snakes and ladders type which I like most.  Also you could drop back more with units staked if you are well in front but do not let us get ahead of ourselves.

Brian


Thunder Pants

Oh, and there is probably a couple of situations i didnt mention. Like what to do if you meet a Zero. So far ive been lucky in my sessions but we all know Zero can really cripple things if your unit size it large. So far ive been sticking to the procedure/rules when encountering a Zero aka you cant bet anything as no 2 or 3 numbers follow, so just wait and accept the loss on both step 1 or 2 in the progression. Recovery usually only takes a few spins anyway. If you do run into a wheel where Zero has just been crazy "hot" then perhaps choose another if possible or wait for a dealer change.

Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 17, 01:03 AM 2017
Very nicely written.  Good luck with this.


Am not sure of this though.  I have often seen two ECs streak.  When I say often, I mean very common. 

By the way what is the progression you use?
Thanks! Been using 1, 2, Stop aka basicly just a low/high bet progression. In real life tested with 10, 20 bets & a 300 unit bankroll & stopped once i each 50% win aka 150 units.

Oh and yes, i see 2 ECs as well often, however rarely for longer steaks than a handfull. This is also why its fairly importent to stay clear of when a number repeats as its the "ultimate" streak on all 3 EC's. Again i could (quite possible very often) be wrong about the remaining non-streaking EC being more "changing" during a EC streak. My initial theory may be completely wrong, and perhaps the only reason the strategy works is simply that BB and RRR, HH, EEE is simply more frequent than RRRR, UUUU and LLLL. So you should get more wins longterm no matter what airheaded reason i dream'd up   :xd:

Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 17, 02:16 AM 2017
Hi Thunder Pants,

Firstly, good luck with your idea.

I have been looking at something similar (back posts on this forum are a wealth of ideas/info.)     Can I refer you to MM August 7, 2012.  `Progression needed for playing on all EC`s at same time`    The most interesting reply is by Flatino: #8   August 8th, 2012.  but there are also a couple of other good relevant posts.   

I have looked at triggers for everything under the sun and come to the conclusion that 9 times out of 10 they work but the tenth time is when you encounter the RFH.    I have been playing all 3 EC`s at same time with FTL and using Flatino`s staking.     EC`s will average 50%:  Dozens will average 33% etc. etc. so mainly it is a waste of time looking for triggers because you will just end up at about average anyway.

I have been testing playing all 3 EC`s with FTL and Flatinos progression.   You know exactly what to bet and how much to stake each time and so far it has held up very well and and stakes have not gone above 5 units on each EC  (3 x 5)   so is an easy and relatively stress free way of playing.
No tracking and easy to record where your stake is at.  You do not usually see all 3 EC`s streaking or chopping at the same time and believe that this is what makes it a powerful way of playing.  This progression is what I call the snakes and ladders type which I like most.  Also you could drop back more with units staked if you are well in front but do not let us get ahead of ourselves.

Brian
Thanks! ill definately have a look at your reference. Also i think you are right there was also a multi EC thread about a month or so ago about betting all 3 EC at the same time & its definately viable, just have to figure out how to implement it & how much. The current version above only allows 1 EC bet at a time for safety reasons as if we run into a Zero or  a repeating number or one of the few numbers that has the same 3 EC as before .. then worst case we lose 1 or 2 units depending on where you are in the progression and it can be recovered in just a few spins however loosing all 3 EC would be a slightly more unpleasant even. So if you want "safe" stick to one single bet.

However the benefits of betting 3 EC at the same time speaks well in strategies like this one where the winrate is high. The flexiblilty of 3 seperate bets may well prove invaluable longterm if done right even with the danger from Zero (and friends). Like perhaps extend the strategy to not only include RR and RRR but also the single R & add another step in the progression so its a bit more dangerous 1, 2, 4. The single R is definately also as common as RR. A LOT more bets to do with potential rewards & needs a fair bit of testing. Rule 1 is still unquestional that is for sure. And those Zero is gonna hurt, but it could work.

bleep24

Hi,
Play French tables with La Partage rule for when you encountering a zero.


mogul397

I keep trying to bring this up in threads, but no one seems interested.

You're thought process about "intuitive" bet selection is interesting and valid IMO.

What I have been ranting on lately is bet selection this way.
Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.

There is NOTHING magic about it. Except it "keeps you on the road" while capitalizing
on streaks.

I have a paper here. I went today. Made $30 ($5 bets).
The results from each EC (including one zero) are as follows.

R/B  24 wins 18 loss
O/E  21 W  22 L
H/L  21W   21 L

Basically even. Now to blow the forum off the map, wouldn't it be correct that
NO ONE thinks that they, somehow, are going to win every spin?

That being said, the BEST selection method is one where you can get even.
SImple, stupid, obvious point.  THis seems to do it. Is it EXACT?  No.
Nothing is. But it certainly stays within bankroll tolerance of things.

While I was at the table at the end, and watching, this kid sat down next to me
with $100.  A streak of black was starting. 4-5 black.  He began chasing red.
(And wouldn't stop). Betting $15-$20.  Killed his $100 bankroll. He asked me
what I was writing and so forth. I explained it. Told him to NEVER fight a trend.
Maybe one bet for it to stop. But that's it.  I can tell he didn't get it.

Anyway, I've tried this a bunch of times with similar results. What it comes down to
(with capability of doing this), is that it we know WHAT will happen. We just don't
know in what order!!!!!!  HAving said that, if you let it, then a losing streak of
7-8 could KILL you. Unless you know you will recoup.

Working within these boundaries and finding the sweet spot for a D'alenbert or any
other means is the thing that needs to be studied. IF you know you will recover.

And that is what I'm looking at. Weather stopping after 2 losses.  Entry at better
times in the cycle?

But this cycle is where it's at. Unless you are happy with no cycle and push your
bankroll.

One idea I have is similar to the Oscar grind. Betting 1 unit on all the losses and then
going up on the wins.

Thoughts?
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

bleep24

Just an update.     I am still playing all 3 EC`s at same time.  FTL.  It is still winning though as I expected the units bet each spin have increased.  What happens is you win a few spins and lose a few more than, but you get something like:   2 4 2 8 4  or 21 23 25 21   or 20 22 24 24 etc. etc. and we have all seen these sort of runs on a pretty regular basis.  This puts you back on track.  It is so easy to play with no tracking and just  work out staking level in your head.

bleep24

Another update.  Just played on Betway casino.   3 x EC`s at same time used prog. posted by Flatino (Did I read somewhere that he was deceased?)
that I mentioned earlier.  Well this is going well.  Highest stake 3 x 6 units.   Up £70 in just under 1 hour.   (Air-ball)

This needs Mogul to test as he puts the mockers on everything or anyone else that feels the urge.  To early obviously to say that this is  a long term winner but I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Brian

hexfex82

Link to flatinos post would be good.  Didn't find it :(
Thanks
Hex

Thunder Pants

Definately should be some very solid 3 EC streaking strategies. Even the original strategy above that is based around hoping the EC will chance would probably work just as well if use with EC will stay the same. Dosnt even matter if you believe future spin is or isnt affected by past spin and all that "gamblers fallacy" thingy .. because if there simply is enough win chances & a small progression  to collect em then you should be in balance at least.

bleep24

Hi Hexfex,
Sorry but I do not do links.   Look on here on home page, go into page 9 Money Management,   Progression needed for playing all 3 EC`s is the topic title by Malcop.   Look through the posts on there for Flatinos about suggested prog.   

Brian

bleep24

Hi Thunderpants,
How I agree with you;  you can play for something to happen or not happen.  If it is an even chance it will come out 50/50 whichever way that you play.

I like playing all 3 EC`s at same time as it takes the guessing out of the equation.  If I do not have a defined system/prog. then I just flounder all over the place sticking anything on anywhere and getting into a right tizzy.

Brian

bleep24

Hi all,
Here is some data from a short session on Betway airball last night.  Playing all 3 EC`s every spin.  Same as last (FTL)

5 (marker) 19 26 23 0 32 6 6 24 9 28 8 14 23 16 15 0 8 7 3 26 9 1 15 1 36 33 31 13  (These are numbers spun)


2 1 1 0 2 1 3 2 0 0 2 2 1 1 1 0 2 1 3 0 03 2 2 1 1 3 2        (wins out of 3)

1 1 2 3 5 4 5 3 2 4 6 5 4 5 6 7 9 8 9 7 9 11 9 8 7 8 9 7    (Stakes x 3 each spin)

+1 -1 -2 -9 +10 -4 +15 +6 -6 -12 +12 +10 -4 -5 -6 -21 +18 -8 +27 -21 -27 +33 +18 +16 -7 -8 +27 +14 (+/- each spin)

This was a unremarkable short session.  Ended up +66 units.   28 spins.

Good luck everyone,
Brian.


bleep24

Just a note: I started on 1 unit and ended on 7 units but that was  sticking to prog.   There were times that I could have reduced units staked.  At end on 7 units I could have reverted to 1 unit for next spin. Will be playing again tonight so will post abbreviated results later.

Brian

hexfex82

Great Brian I found it with your description...  :twisted: :twisted:

Thanks

Hex

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