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MoneyT101

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Best explanation!!! ✊️ :thumbsup:
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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This is absolutely correct. Past spins mean nothing - however a group of spins (cycle/session, etc) gives predictable results even though each spin is random and independent. Once you have something predictable you can use that. (coughs.... I'm not going to explain this dammit lol).

Here's a rough example using something everyone knows already - that law of thirds or whatever fancy name it has now (I think everything is packaged in 3 letter catch-phrases now ?).
Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over and over until your balls hurt.
Tell me how many numbers appear once, twice, three times, not at all - etc.
I don't have to do this, I can tell you it's going to be damn near 24 numbers appearing
and 13 not appearing (on average... and yes it's a little off but I rounded stuff for the sake of the post). You can do this over and over. The total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24...20...28...20...24...25...25...24...20....19....24 go on until you're tired - you'll end up with an incredible amount of cycles where it's 24.
Now think of the math of the game as it's commonly stated.
Any number has a 1 in 37 chance of appearing during a cycle of spins.
That means that any number on average will show up once per 37 spins.... we can all agree with this right ?
But no.. as you can test and prove to yourself - 24 numbers appear on average every 37 spins, not 37. There never will be 37 possible outcomes... just because there are 37 numbers and 37 spins in a cycle and each spin is independent - there will never be 37 numbers that show once and no repeats.
Now grab the eraser and make it every number has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing ?
You could do this or you could take this info and look into repeaters....
I said it until I'm blue in other posts. A number can't show twice unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown twice, etc..
And most importantly - you can never lose a single unit on any number that doesn't appear because you never bet on it.

To answer the other questions OZON - work on it flat betting. The progression isn't one to pull out of drawdown - I'd call it a positive progression instead. Any progression just magnifies the results of whatever you're doing (Steve will agree I'm sure as well). If you're doing something wrong and using a progression you'll lose worse and worse.. if you're doing something that works - you'll win more and more (but the nay-sayers have to be open to accepting that there are things that do work - to them any progression just makes you lose more and faster). I've done my best to modify how I play down to a flat bet but I'd prefer to use a progression to win more faster instead of playing longer with smaller unit size.
Now grab the eraser and make it every number[37numbers] has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing

How has the odds changed ? Unless you know which pockets appear or which pockets don't appear.

Same with repeaters. 24 hits has a 1 in 13 chance of appearing again(repeat1).

How has the odds changed ? Unless you know which pockets appear or which pockets don't appear the second time.

Tell us how we know which pockets appear before they do. Everything else is moot.

My answer is BIAS.
You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

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a group of spins (cycle/session, etc) gives predictable results even though each spin is random and independent

You are confusing plain statistics with predictability.

For example, the law of a third. In 37 spins, about a third of numbers will be repeated.

It sounds predictable and usable. The reality is:

* You don't know which numbers will repeat, with better than 1 in 37 accuracy.

* Even if you knew some recent repeaters, you don't know which will repeat again, with better than 1 in 37 accuracy.

You are trying to say one sequence of spins has a different probability of another sequence. Like 33,33,33 is any different to 32,4,15. Anyone who tested enough would know this. You're just talking about plain statistics.

The fallacy is just like saying after 10,000,000 spins, there will be around even reds and blacks. It doesnt help, at all.

That means that any number on average will show up once per 37 spins.... we can all agree with this right ?

Sure, we agree on that.

But no.. as you can test and prove to yourself - 24 numbers appear on average every 37 spins, not 37.

You appear to be forgetting that a number can hit perhaps 3 times in 37 spins. Or it can not hit at all for 100 or so spins. The average is still 1 in 37.

Another thing to test is see how often this combination of numbers will spin in trillions and trillions of spins:

0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, ... etc to 36

Then see how often any other combination of numbers spins. What you'll find is in the long term, it's exactly the same!

The point is the wheel doesn't give a crap about what you think. Patterns in your head, hot numbers and trends, are just in your head.

there will never be 37 numbers that show once and no repeats.

Completely wrong. If you test my point above you'll see you've made a mistake.

I said it until I'm blue in other posts. A number can't show twice unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown twice, etc.. And most importantly - you can never lose a single unit on any number that doesn't appear because you never bet on it.

If you agree the odds of the next number are 1 in 37, then this is true for every spin. You cannot put a chain of 1 in 37's together to change odds. And if you claim you arent changing the odds, then what are you changing? You certainly cant change the payouts.

In roulette the two main parts are odds and payouts. You can only ever change the odds. If you claim to not be changing the odds, but that you have a long term winning system, then you dont understand what you're saying.

This is not about anyone being  a "naysayer". This is plain and simple mathematics and simple logic. If a mathematician saw your claims, they would immediately recognize your mistakes. This is not complicated stuff.

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In roulette the two main parts are odds and payouts. You can only ever change the odds. If you claim to not be changing the odds, but that you have a long term winning system, then you dont understand what you're saying.

This is not about anyone being  a "naysayer". This is plain and simple mathematics and simple logic. If a mathematician saw your claims, they would immediately recognize your mistakes. This is not complicated stuff.
That's clear contradictory statements. No need a mathematician, just use high school statistics of permutation and combination lessons.

Probably the best way to understand the relationship between odds and payout is a hypothetical roulette game where the payout is changed from 1:35 as now to 1: 37 for the hypothetical game. Now the punter has a clear advantage in this case.

We can't change the payout, so we have to change the odds to gain the advantage. That's logic.
You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

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.......there will never be 37 numbers that show once and no repeats.

The math answer for never is 37^37 = 1.055513496 x 10^58

Which is no different from any everyday sequence the roulette wheels randomly churn out.
You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

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* You don't know which numbers will repeat, with better than 1 in 37 accuracy.

* Even if you knew some recent repeaters, you don't know which will repeat again, with better than 1 in 37 accuracy.

As I said in another forum (or this one... actually don't remember).
You have to look at potential winning numbers.
When you sit down to play - if I told you "Here is the game - you can only pick 1 number and if you're right you'll win 35:1 and the odds are 1:37" I'd be correct.
We all agree on this but you have to get past this single spin blockage.
Of course - when you sit down - ALL numbers have the potential to be the next spun number. Each has a 1:37 chance of appearing... if you're only plan is to bet 1 number for 1 spin. Once you expand this out it all changes though doesn't it..
If I instead told you to sit down and bet on a number to show twice.... you would logically now ignore the numbers that haven't shown at all - you would instead focus on the numbers that have shown once... after all, you can't get a win on a number showing twice if it hasn't shown at least once already. It's only a potential winning number after it has appeared at least once.
I really don't want to explain it more - it either clicks in someone's head or it doesn't.
You might jump up at 3am some night screaming lol.
And like I said before - It's far from perfect -  of the top 10 repeating numbers that would make profit, I manage to get a couple of them. I don't have to be perfect in order to win every time. If I post the spins and what numbers I played (have already done this before) - according to you it would have to be magic or voodoo or luck ? How did I manage to win and profit on 3 or 4 or 5 of the top 10 repeaters which hit above average and not lose anything on the numbers that never appeared or hit below average ? I certainly didn't cheat. It's easy to say 37:1 odds and 35:1 payout means there's no answer but then you're not thinking.
Also - to debunk (again) that "Parx" is fixed I purposely lost my bankroll. I posted before I did it that I was going to - it should have been impossible according to everyone who thinks the RNG is rigged (which it isn't).
It was covered on the other forum with the typical replies.
When I won $7 million - it was because it was rigged for me to win - when I lost it on purpose to prove them wrong - it was rigged for me to lose. When I won it wasn't "realistic" and then when I lose the bankroll to show it was actual conditions - then it's still not realistic lol. So I gave up and challenged others to do what I did and document it as I did - no one has/can. But why not ? It's so easy to win, it's rigged.... but it's not - and no one can. The daily log in bonus doesn't count towards ranking and simulates a bankroll that you would use to begin with for the day. The only thing that the leader board ranks players on is their profits. But I've said all this before.. and with the lack of anyone else being able to do what I did - I suppose that speaks for itself. (and I know - no one has the time to waste on that rigged game, that's why no one has repeated what I did). sighs.
""but the math of parx is rigged to almost guarantee strong profit.""
Then how on earth did I purposely lose all that bankroll - and why can't anyone else just play whatever method or system they want and do what I did ?
It's actually not rigged, it's just RNG. It's random. Math beats a math game - random has limits. It's going to be on my tombstone someday :)

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As I said in another forum (or this one... actually don't remember).
You have to look at potential winning numbers.

It's only a potential winning number after it has appeared at least once.
This simple question requires a direct answer from you, how do you select the numbers that appeared once to bet on ?

Or bet all numbers that appeared once ?

All numbers or selected numbers that appeared ?
You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

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We all agree on this but you have to get past this single spin blockage.
Of course - when you sit down - ALL numbers have the potential to be the next spun number. Each has a 1:37 chance of appearing... if you're only plan is to bet 1 number for 1 spin. Once you expand this out it all changes though

it either clicks in someone's head or it doesn't.

Math beats a math game - random has limits. It's going to be on my tombstone someday :)

It's crazy how there's been a few ppl that have shared this but because other ppl can't put it together they say it doesn't work or exist.

Maybe the way your trying to do it is not different enough.  So you keep getting the same results!

Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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But I've said all this before.. and with the lack of anyone else being able to do what I did - I suppose that speaks for itself.

[coughs] I think a couple of us came close, though not with the same 7 mill success. ;-)
And for the nay-sayers, Im still playing repeats and doing well.

I've always said and agreed, you have to consider the series of bets as your single bet. Not one single spin.

To strip it right back to basics as an example, pick one number and bet on it for 37 spins. Consider that one bet, not 37 bets. We know 24 numbers (on average) will show. Thats already a better than 60% chance of a hit on that bet and therefore a profit.

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I've always said and agreed, you have to consider the series of bets as your single bet. Not one single spin.

Indeed.
What I meant was people who keep saying it can't be done or that it's fixed at that site (or any site, or live, etc) can't win even with it being fixed as they believe it is.
I think Bago even insisted that the site was fixed just for "ME" specifically to win. Unreal.
I think the two of us should run up the leader board again. I still want to see a first and second place with our names up there :)

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The point is the wheel doesn't give a crap about what you think. Patterns in your head, hot numbers and trends, are just in your head.

That's the truth
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

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This simple question requires a direct answer from you, how do you select the numbers that appeared once to bet on ?
Or bet all numbers that appeared once ?
All numbers or selected numbers that appeared ?

I don't bet on all numbers that appeared - it wouldn't really be possible unless I was at a terminal or playing online. At a table I can't cover a large amount of numbers so I keep the amount of numbers that I play small. So I miss out on some great wins - yes. I only need one or a few of my played numbers to win above expected, and that always happens.

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That's the truth

So to be clear - there are patterns galore in past spins, yet no one believes that future spins will create a pattern. Makes no logical sense and isn't how random works - but to each their own. I used to believe the sky was blue.. turns out I was wrong.

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The only pattern that can be predicted is in which sector of roulette the ball lands the most. You should bet on the wheel, not the table.

Imho
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The only pattern that can be predicted is in which sector of roulette the ball lands the most. You should bet on the wheel, not the table.

Imho

Def not the only pattern that can be predicted. I wouldn't say I bet on either the wheel or the table. Take them both away. I just use the random string. And it has to be random.

If I have time TG, for Parx, I'll give it another blast. Always good fun for testing. Though I know you'll be a step or three ahead of me all the time damn it! I'll have a go from the reset on Sunday night.


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