Johndexter

[denzie]

This was posted at GF...
Credits goes to johndexter (coder)

Take the first FOUR numbers that come when you start.

As soon one of them hits , bet all 4# for 4 spins. On a hit play another 4 spins. If no hit wait till one of our 4# hits and bet our 4# for 4 spins. Etc...

[nottophammer]

You'll be better off re-reading this 

    I posted this in the other forum so I'll post it here as well and then probably be done with the topic.
    ====================
    I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

    We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
    Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
    (I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
    13 numbers never appeared
    17 numbers showed up once
    5 numbers showed up twice
    1 number showed up three times
    2 numbers showed up four times.

    I can simplify this if it helps :
    13 numbers never appeared.
    25 numbers showed up at least once

    8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
    3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
    2 numbers showed up four times.

    But anyway - either way it's the same.
    So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
    Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
    You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
    You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
    exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
    You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
    You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
    And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

    So what kind of money would you put on them ?
    Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
    You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
    You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
    You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
    You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
    and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

    So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
    And guess what - you don't need one.
    I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
    Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
    and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
    All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
    Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
    You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
    You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
    Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
    Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
    As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
    You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
    Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
    Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
    Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
    You can continue this on for quite a while.
    The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
    If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
    However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
    For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
    The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

    Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
     

[cht]

You'll be better off re-reading this 

    I posted this in the other forum so I'll post it here as well and then probably be done with the topic.
    ====================
    I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

    We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
    Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
    (I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
    13 numbers never appeared
    17 numbers showed up once
    5 numbers showed up twice
    1 number showed up three times
    2 numbers showed up four times.

    I can simplify this if it helps :
    13 numbers never appeared.
    25 numbers showed up at least once

    8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
    3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
    2 numbers showed up four times.

    But anyway - either way it's the same.
    So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
    Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
    You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
    You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
    exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
    You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
    You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
    And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

    So what kind of money would you put on them ?
    Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
    You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
    You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
    You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
    You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
    and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

    So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
    And guess what - you don't need one.
    I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
    Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
    and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
    All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
    Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
    You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
    You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
    Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
    Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
    As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
    You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
    Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
    Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
    Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
    You can continue this on for quite a while.
    The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
  If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
    However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
    For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
    The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

    Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
   

Tabulate this to appreciate what TG tries to convey.

[denzie]

Not sure what this does in this...But..

Lets play cycles of 37/38 spins.
Bet every # that appears using 1/5/25

Now keep doing this cycle after cycle after cycle after etc....

Does it win more then it loses ? 

[denzie]

This is the result of 2 x 4s coming with 1/5/25 (once the 25 hits i removed it)

Note: 2x 4s dont happen that often.
1x 4s about 49%

[denzie]

1x4s hit on spin 37

[denzie]

Now should we keep running cycles like this and see where we end with our br lets say after 100 cycles?

[Herby]

"Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice"

Picture shows:
repeat distribution:
Leftmost highest point: (1,1,1) immediate repeat, immediate repeat again
below: (1,2,1),  (1,2,2),  (1,2,3), ...
below: (1,3,1), ...

[jekhb76]

Not sure what this does in this...But..

Lets play cycles of 37/38 spins.
Bet every # that appears using 1/5/25

Now keep doing this cycle after cycle after cycle after etc....

Does it win more then it loses ? 

It's Goodbye bankroll

[denzie]

It's Goodbye bankroll

Bingo.

Now back on topic 

[Roulettebeater]

This was posted at GF...
Credits goes to johndexter (coder)

Take the first FOUR numbers that come when you start.

As soon one of them hits , bet all 4# for 4 spins. On a hit play another 4 spins. If no hit wait till one of our 4# hits and bet our 4# for 4 spins. Etc...

So it's sort of "wait&chase" game !

[daveylibra]

Denzie -

How about testing using flat-bet, and keeping the unit on after a hit?

(Turbo said his system wins flat bet, and he says keep the chip on the table in his "38 players" thing.)
So why not keep it simple as poss for now...