My friend has opened a new Baccarat.

[ego]

Did you learn from him from forum board with paid membership - how much - maybe I will join.
Problem is that last time I check he took 1K for one-year membership - that is too expensive - my opinion.

Cheers

[bikemotorman]

Did you learn from him from forum board with paid membership - how much - maybe I will join.
Problem is that last time I check he took 1K for one-year membership - that is too expensive - my opinion.

Cheers

It is like ten bucks a month I think but his methods are very sound and cant be found on this forum, Ellis requires us to think and use our heads not just play a mechanical method or system.

One of his methods is doing very well with craps.
Stuart

[ego]

 That is a good price to get a mentor like Ellis to comment things you might do right or wrong or miss.
Where is this forum board, I would like to join, if I can talk about NOR, S40 among other methods then is much better then BTC.
They take intro fee 150$ and 50$ a month for old material like NOR and S40 among other things like SAP Count.
Everything about flat betting is only hinting with no real solution to try and that the take 50$ a month, that sucks.

If you don't want to post the link to Ellis forum board you can send me a personal message.

Thanks

[ego]

I could see that you post the forum link at beginning of this topic and I send a mod a message about the membership fee.
If you get NOR, S40, SAP among other methods you can build a complex understanding and advance into a more professional area.
Not know if does methods are included, but if they are then a membership is worth each and every penny.

Cheers

[bikemotorman]

Ellis does not advise flat bet, this is a business you must be CAPITALIZED and no scared money he only uses 30 units from what I remember but he is at black chip level.

I am at Red Chip level and am a beginner I use 100 chip bank.

I speak to Ellis almost every day he is a very passionate teacher, he even spent several hours on the phone with me as I played Baccarat on Betphoneix to help me understand what I was up against he had his scorecard and said ok what are the results so far in the shoe and wrote it down on his card.

This was at the red chip on Betphoenix but I like craps better not so boring lol.

Here is also the testing of S40 on craps pass don't pass decisions on paper with my home craps test table real dice tossed randomly no dice setting......just chucking em baby.


Stuart

[DoctorSudoku]

It is like ten bucks a month I think but his methods are very sound and cant be found on this forum, Ellis requires us to think and use our heads not just play a mechanical method or system.

One of his methods is doing very well with craps.
Stuart

Stuart,
Where does it say that membership is only $10 a month? Can you please direct me to the specific web page where the membership fee is listed?

[DoctorSudoku]

Ellis does not advise flat bet, this is a business you must be CAPITALIZED and no scared money he only uses 30 units from what I remember but he is at black chip level.

I am at Red Chip level and am a beginner I use 100 chip bank.

I speak to Ellis almost every day he is a very passionate teacher, he even spent several hours on the phone with me as I played Baccarat on Betphoneix to help me understand what I was up against he had his scorecard and said ok what are the results so far in the shoe and wrote it down on his card.

This was at the red chip on Betphoenix but I like craps better not so boring lol.

Here is also the testing of S40 on craps pass don't pass decisions on paper with my home craps test table real dice tossed randomly no dice setting......just chucking em baby.


Stuart

Stuart,
For the scorecard that you posted for your craps results, I don't see any bar numbers. Did you not get any for this particular session?

Or are you ignoring the appearance of the bar number?

In baccarat, you can ignore the ties because they do not make you lose your banker/player bets.

But in craps, the bar number does make you lose your pass line bet  (while it is a push on your don't pass bet). So the bar numbers have to be taken into consideration in this game.

[bikemotorman]

Let me if I can find the pay price page and no I ignore the Bar 12 and count it as a win on don't pass come outs, in fact, it is very rare to have a 12 on the come out roll it is just my personal choice.

Stuart

[AndyCasinoK]

Yes, I agree that ties don't happen every 8-10 hands as per the theoretical expected frequency rates for that outcome.

On a few rare occasions, I have actually gone after the tie bet if I have NOT seen it for 20 spins.

And then I have chased it for the next 16  spins (after the first 8 spins, with a mild progression).

Surprisingly, I have won on every occasion.

I am just mentioning it.

I do NOT recommend the above strategy to be used regularly at the baccarat table.

I do not recommand too that strategy but what i have saw is that after a Tie between 5 to 30 hand they are again another Tie

[bikemotorman]

Ok here is the pricing from Ellis.

I think we have the pricing down pat now by leaving it up to the members. Ha, that was a first! You'd think that they would all say "teach us for free". But, in fact, Nobody said that. Together we came up with 14.95 / mo for the Beginner Forum. Then 24.95 for the Advances Forum.            Then 49. 95 for all inclusive members who want to go to Webinars and Seminars for free. Then we came up with an annual option for members who want to save a little by paying up front. All of that is fine with me. I only had ONE concern - that we end up the lowest cost gaming training site on the entire internet. And at the pricing we ended up with - we ARE. This way, each of you becomes an Ambassador for ECD I'm going for HIGH membership in place of high pricing. Pretty smart, don't you think? Well, we'll see. It is a risk but I think a good one. Sorta like betting OTB4L in a high 2s shoe. We can't go wrong - especially when we've got Ambassadors like Vegas-Rick and Sir Donald, and the 3 Johns  and a whole bunch more. This is like a home coming to me - all my friends finally have a place to roost. Thanks guys!

[DoctorSudoku]

I do not recommand too that strategy but what i have saw is that after a Tie between 5 to 30 hand they are again another Tie

If there is a gap of between 5 and 30 hands between ties (as per your observations), then the casual method that I mentioned in my original post would be a winner.

Read carefully what I wrote in my original post and you will see what I mean.

[RouletteGhost]

ive been testing shoes almost everyday on bet phoenix....the amount of ties i have been seeing is outrageous

[The General]

ive been testing shoes almost everyday on bet phoenix....the amount of ties i have been seeing is outrageous

Rather than wasting time testing you should just make a quick visit to the wizardofvegas forum.  There you will find baccarat math explained by Dr Elliot Jacobson and other mathematicians.  After reading the basics you can simply do some math calculations to quickly determine whether or not you're wasting your time.

They do discuss real AP opportunities in baccarat.

Good luck,

The General

[Blueprint]

Rather than wasting time testing you should just make a quick visit to the wizardofvegas forum.  There you will find baccarat math explained by Dr Elliot Jacobson and other mathematicians.  After reading the basics you can simply do some math calculations to quickly determine whether or not you're wasting your time.

They do discuss real AP opportunities in baccarat.

Good luck,

The General

Thanks for bringing up Eliot.  Nice reminder. Perhaps I’ll need to track down his email address with a few questions   

[bikemotorman]

I think you are on the wrong thread guys??

I think we have the pricing down pat now by leaving it up to the members. Ha, that was a first! You'd think that they would all say "teach us for free". But, in fact, Nobody said that. Together we came up with 14.95 / mo for the Beginner Forum. Then 24.95 for the Advances Forum.            Then 49. 95 for all inclusive members who want to go to Webinars and Seminars for free. Then we came up with an annual option for members who want to save a little by paying up front. All of that is fine with me. I only had ONE concern - that we end up the lowest cost gaming training site on the entire internet. And at the pricing we ended up with - we ARE. This way, each of you becomes an Ambassador for ECD I'm going for HIGH membership in place of high pricing. Pretty smart, don't you think? Well, we'll see. It is a risk but I think a good one. Sorta like betting OTB4L in a high 2s shoe. We can't go wrong - especially when we've got Ambassadors like Vegas-Rick and Sir Donald, and the 3 Johns  and a whole bunch more. This is like a home coming to me - all my friends finally have a place to roost. Thanks guys!