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37 back to basics

Started by 6th-sense, Jun 09, 02:29 PM 2018

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Herby

Quote from: ignatus on Nov 09, 07:49 AM 2018(Bet every number that comes, up to 10 numbers, then stop) with the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3  or (4) at the end, then STOP/Restart (also stop/restart at any hit..)
If I understand it right you bet a window of 10 numbers.
You should get better results when you start to bet with 3. spin according to the theoretical values:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156596#msg156596

The area unter the graph gives you the probability to hit.


ignatus

Quote from: Herby on Nov 09, 08:41 AM 2018
If I understand it right you bet a window of 10 numbers.
You should get better results when you start to bet with 3. spin according to the theoretical values:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156596#msg156596

The area unter the graph gives you the probability to hit.

ok nice :) Thx
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Person S

6- Is this close to what you are talking about?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19055.0
Interesting things happen with groups, but pity I don’t own Excel, to test a lot, repetitions repeat each other, that's what I saw  :o But I wonder if our hunt is only to catch a replay or is it a safari?

nottophammer

Quote from: Herby on Nov 09, 06:00 AM 2018Its not really impossible but the probability for this event is very very small.
simulation 10.000.000 trials:
{{1, 270381}, {2, 525423}, {3, 747825}, {4, 915471}, {5, 1019835}, {6,
   1056756}, {7, 1033931}, {8, 958090}, {9, 843986}, {10,
  710517}, {11, 569474}, {12, 437276}, {13, 319697}, {14,
  223657}, {15, 148815}, {16, 94892}, {17, 56760}, {18, 32723}, {19,
  17664}, {20, 9092}, {21, 4382}, {22, 1980}, {23, 840}, {24,
  355}, {25, 122}, {26, 40}, {27, 12}, {28, 4}}

this means 4 times I got longest uniques length 28

Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Dec 16, 02:16 PM 2014
This is a test I did in November.  I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:

2    3210
3    6251
4    9017
5    10906
6    12398
7    12852
8    12454
9    11478
10    10007
11    8619
12    6845
13    5243
14    3857
15    2730
16    1816
17    1128
18    687
19    355
20    246
21    96
22    61
23    29
24    16
25    5
26    3
27    0
28    0
29    0
30    0
31    0
32    0
33    0
34    0
35    0
36    0

The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.

7 ?
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Herby

Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 10, 06:27 AM 20187 ?

My first spin is the first following spin: {1, 270381}
LuckoftheIrish... beginns with number 2 for the follow up spin:  2    3210

As so often a question of definition  :wink:

Blood Angel

Quote from: Herby on Nov 09, 06:00 AM 2018
Its not really impossible but the probability for this event is very very small.
simulation 10.000.000 trials: 
{{1, 270381}, {2, 525423}, {3, 747825}, {4, 915471}, {5, 1019835}, {6,
   1056756}, {7, 1033931}, {8, 958090}, {9, 843986}, {10,
  710517}, {11, 569474}, {12, 437276}, {13, 319697}, {14,
  223657}, {15, 148815}, {16, 94892}, {17, 56760}, {18, 32723}, {19,
  17664}, {20, 9092}, {21, 4382}, {22, 1980}, {23, 840}, {24,
  355}, {25, 122}, {26, 40}, {27, 12}, {28, 4}}

this means 4 times I got longest uniques length 28

Thanks Herby.

Herby

Quote from: Blood Angel on Nov 10, 07:43 AM 2018Thanks Herby.
:thumbsup:

Compare the theoretical values (below in %) with the values of the simulation (divided by 100 000) you see the law of the large numbers (relative frequency in % converges to probability):

{{1,2.7027},{2,5.25931},{3,7.46254},{4,9.14329},
{5,10.1935},{6,10.5792},{7,10.341},{8,9.58236},
{9,8.44931},{10,7.10453},{11,5.70282},{12,4.3717},
{13,3.2},{14,2.23535},{15,1.48879},{16,0.944243},
{17,0.569417},{18,0.325898},{19,0.176651},{20,0.0904612},
{21,0.0436414},{22,0.0197706},{23,0.00837944},{24,0.00330845},
{25,0.00121086},{26,0.000408421},{27,0.000126093},{28,0.0000353412},
{29,8.90354×10-6},{30,1.99147×10-6},{31,3.89324×10-7},
{32,6.51701×10-8},{33,9.08199×10-9},{34,1.01159×10-9},
{35,8.44331×10-11},{36,4.69435×10-12}}


Herby

Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 08, 11:34 AM 2018Start from 1st hit of 1st number in group ..note that spin it hit on  and note every spin number in that group as it comes out
And so on .until that group finishes on a repeat.
End tracking and final distance from start to finish of closure of that group cycle one repeat only

Hi 6th-sense,
is th following picture an example for quoted the text  :question:

(RL has no repeat in a cycle)

6th-sense

Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 08, 11:34 AM 2018
Interesting stats ?

Off the top of my head yes

I’ll give you this one

My tracker attached to ayks original has HH LL HL LH

Made from the Wheel Table pic

On cross correlation  it’s self explanatory if you look at that wheel table layout

They relate to number groups

HH = high black numbers
LL= low black numbers
HL=high red numbers
LH=low red numbers

Start from 1st hit of 1st number in group ..note that spin it hit on  and note every spin number in that group as it comes out
And so on .until that group finishes on a repeat.
End tracking and final distance from start to finish of closure of that group cycle one repeat only

This is just a basic explanation of what does happen in a cycle spin frame

What happens if a group doesn’t repeat once in the spin cycle and how often does that happen?

And how far beyond the end of a 37 spin cycle does that take to close?
Check your stats

Just interesting stuff to look at





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as i say read the whole post...its an interesting statistical thing...how many times this happens and how far beyond 37 it takes to end cycle...



Bigbroben

No accumulated stats but here's a version, with board, euro or american layout.

Top right tells you the spin gap between a repeater in a group (LR, LB, HR, HB), and the amount of nrs played until the repeater.
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Bigbroben

I added new features to the original Tracker file.

-Repeating nrs will see a blue cell appearing;
-Repeaters are calculated on the last spin;
-Added other stats on top: standalone nrs at end, max block width, max gap width, hits on largest gap.

These values are automatically calculated and adjusted to the amount of nrs entered, and not fixed to 37 nrs ( thanks to the OFFSET function).  Just do not modify cell B6, which is the reference value.

Enjoy!
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Gitano

 ::)

Great tracker BigBroben! I like it soo much!

I'm trying to test too and look at this short airball session! :thumbsup: :love:

Person S

And how far beyond the end of a 37 spin cycle does that take to close?
Check your stats


1 of the groups went beyond 37 without repeating. It is not clear how this can help ... There was a plan to put on a replay in a group without repetitions, but from the snapshot it can be seen that this can cause damage. :yawn:


Herby

Hi Person S,
You show just the half picture ...

Person S

Hi Herbie, this snapshot is part of a cycle in which one group did not have a repeat, and she continued to sleep further. Just showed ... The remaining 3 groups did replays.

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