Turbo's System, Logic, Common Sense, and a Square

[maestro]

Turbo if you are going to include all this swords crossing with experts in your book  i am so not fucking buying it...

just to let you know

[Steve]

Turbo if you are going to include all this swords crossing with experts in your book  i am so not f****** buying it...

just to let you know

That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro. 

[maestro]

That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro.

funny enough but in life there are 25% where logic goes silent

[Anastasius]

Who wants some new age roulette book if anyone can win it would take less than a page.ans that's all anyone cares about how many times does one want to hear " just summon ur will have self control and look into statistical anomalys .then stare into the dealers mind like a Phoenix" I could go on..and call it a book gambling is a mugs game lol unless ur good

[TurboGenius]

That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro.

I actually wanted you to write the forward Steve - I wasn't kidding.
Why not begin the book that's purpose is to teach and show others how to win with the opposite side of the coin that says it's impossible ? 
I think it's a great idea. Just keep it basic - like "The house payout is less than any location appearing" and "There are always the same number of pockets on the wheel no matter what has happened", etc etc - a few paragraphs.
So far it's been a great experience working on it -
Proving that the "Gambler's Fallacy" is actually a fallacy itself is good.
Also explaining patterns and how to exploit them.
I still have a ways to go. It would be interesting to make a thread about what specific topics people find most interesting to cover, but that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure. I'm pretty sure I'll have all the bases covered.

[Anastasius]

One.more thing when its referenced here " tg system" its referring to a statistical anomaly within 37 spins that occurs enough to capitalize regarding betting what's already hit"

[Taotie]

....that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure.

Then you can count on me to contribute. 

[cht]

Pretty clear steve is not a math guy. I go so far to speculate he did not do A-level math at high school. He is good at words and his writings is his worded opinion. Zero math offered.

If steve disagree, post a link here just one math posted on this forum. Prove it. Or write a post of roulette math below. Ofc not the cut and paste from wizardsofodds.

General is also not a math guy. His math is cut and paste from wizardofodss, he told us that himself. Ofc he can't offer us any more than that. The difference with him and steve is he articulates his arguments much less persuasive than steve. Steve is the champ, no one on any forum come close to his standard. And I definitely learnt a lot from his art of persuasive writing.

[cht]

OK...so here is a Chi square chart for 50K random numbers between 0 and 36

How would you exploit this with your common sense?

from my standpoint, I am drawn to the bottom comment which suggests that 3 cycles isnt enough, because the apparent biases are not biases, but due to coincidence.

These coincidences are what we call hot numbers, or better still, hot numbers are the coincidences which cause repeats.

In a cycle of 37 spins, every number has the same chance to come out. So, for all the numbers to come out i.e 37 in 37 spins, this would need unthinkable probabilities. Probabilities that are negligible.

So when a number repeats in 37, its because every number has an equal chance to show. Thats why 19, or 4, or 33 can show 2 or 3 times, even 4 or 5.

When 19, or 4 or 33 shows more than once, its due to binomial distribution. Some call it the law of the 3rd.

Good that you point this out.

This will happen every time in +/- deviations. A deviation of SD3 may be something like 20 hit and 17 dont. its much rarer than 24/13 because that is the mean.

This happens. This is reality.

The big point here is that the actual #19 came out more than once in 37, and 4 and 33 also did was a coincidence.

You can exploit these coincidences. If you play in a way that captures at least some of these coincidences you have a good system..

That is the fundamental basis how math based systems play are designed.

[cht]

It is not the same thing. There is no logic needed in geometry, it's completely math.
But I know - sometimes my analogies are a stretch as well. No need to defend him when he's wrong because agreeing with him is more important than when I tell the truth.

Fortunately I have first hand experience with this. As I said before my autistic son (who Tony loves to crack jokes about ever since I mentioned it) is considered challenged.
It's difficult for him to write his own name. However he is exceptionally intelligent in other areas well beyond most people that I've met. Strange how that works. It doesn't really matter if someone isn't the most intelligent person when it comes to math or random - they can still have approaches that might be something a more intelligent person would simply have skipped over.
Also - according to your comment - "you" are the one defining who is intelligent and who isn't. That would somehow mean you are the judge of someone being intelligent or not - which is exactly what General loves to do with his comments.
I'm sorry to say - there is no validity whatsoever that either of you are in a position to
judge others when it comes to intelligence - and neither am I that judge.

This explains for why the math professors usually do not make good traders in the financial field.

The financial trader's proficiency relies on the application of math where the design of the math model carries the most important emphasis - it may come from the least math acquainted guy.

[Joe]

These coincidences are what we call hot numbers, or better still, hot numbers are the coincidences which cause repeats.

In a cycle of 37 spins, every number has the same chance to come out. So, for all the numbers to come out i.e 37 in 37 spins, this would need unthinkable probabilities. Probabilities that are negligible.

The general keeps saying it's common sense and that we are dumb not to see that hot numbers don't work, but there is no contradiction between believing they can and the fact that the probability is 1/37 and fixed because the number of pockets don't change. Every number could come out according to its expectation in the long term but still it may be better to bet on numbers which are currently trending. These trending numbers will cool off and other previously cold numbers will become hot, so it's not as though you need a biased wheel in order to exploit the phenomenon.

[Scarface]

We can also use math to make better bets.  If probability tells me that, on average, one number will repeat at least 9 times before the coldest number shows...I can use this.

There are some predictable aspects to random such as extreme variance in the short term.  The key is to identify and play for this to happen.  Also, I like to bet no more than 5 numbers top...sometimes as low as 3.

[Turner]

Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.

If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.

[nottophammer]

Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.

If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.

Brilliant

[The General]

This explains for why the math professors usually do not make good traders in the financial field.

The financial trader's proficiency relies on the application of math where the design of the math model carries the most important emphasis - it may come from the least math acquainted guy.

Wow that's one of the most absurd statements that I've read recently.
I know of a few C++ guys that are mathematicians that are making a fortune in the markets.  Some trade currency on the commercial side and others run very sophisticated trading bots.  In order to trade at that level you need to be very well educated in math.

Then on the more well known sides we have Dr. Thorp, and had Dr. Claude Shannon.

Do you just make this stuff up so that you can feel better about yourself not having an education?   Is that how that works?