Secrets. Share or don’t share

[Steve]

Firefox, you forget some people just legitimately aren't too bright. It's not just about attitude. Unfortunately it's a fact, you have to conclude because even when really simple math and logic is explained, they still don't get it.

[Proofreaders2000]

They probably care, because they want to win but I've been thinking a lot about this recently and I reckon a lot comes down to what is fun or easy to do.

It's easy to wait for 3 reds in a row or to record 20 numbers and then see which are uniques and which are repeaters. That's kind of fun and most people want to enjoy gambling.

But as soon as you have to practice for three months to count a rotor speed to within 0.2 seconds, and then memorize a table with 15 different rotor speeds x 10 different ball characteristics complete with further actions or memorize the whole wheel with distances between numbers it becomes like a job. And then it's not fun anymore.-Firefox

Think of a vehicle.  It has all of the parts working together.  The driver wants to get from point A to point B.  It's good to know how the vehicle works, but when the car breaks down you take it to an expert to get it fixed.  Same with gambling systems imo.

[Steve]

It's good to know how the vehicle works, but when the car breaks down you take it to an expert to get it fixed.  Same with gambling systems imo.

And when the expert says "You've got no fuel, wheels, or even an engine", don't say "I don't care. I want to try driving it regardless"

[Proofreaders2000]

where there's a will there's a way

[Steve]

Since when does 1+1=42 eventually, if you try really really hard?

But I get it. You want to find a way to win. AP doesnt interest you. So at least start by understanding why previous methods failed. Understand what others have tried, and found failed, and why.

Understand what odds vs payout means, and why you must increase accuracy of predictions.
Understand why short term tests are meaningless.
Start doing proper larger scale tests. And focus on testing to see if you have increased accuracy predictions.

Will and effort is not going to make impossible possible.

The way most people approach testing systems is wild stabs in the dark, hoping they have something that works. And the testing is meaningless short term. And by the time you realize the system doesn't work, you've wasted more time. I know because I've been there. Every experienced player has.

[Proofreaders2000]

Since when does 1+1=42 eventually, if you try really really hard?

Touche.

You want to find a way to win. AP doesn't interest you. So at least start by understanding
why previous methods failed. Understand what others have tried, and found failed, and why.

Well if there were bets after ball release wheels available, AP absolutely!
I have been studying full-time for 11 years straight.  The HE is formidable.

Understand why short term tests are meaningless.
People usually play for a short amount of time, not 10k spins

(That said, I'm open to new ideas, so large scale testing :d)  )

I test my systems for years.

Will and effort is not going to make impossible possible.

That brings me to the 'bumblebee theory' technically they
are not supposed to fly, but they manage.  (To be continued)

[Steve]

I have been studying full-time for 11 years straight.  The HE is formidable.

Not really. It's just a slightly unfair payout. To overcome it, you need only slight accuracy increase. It's not that hard.

People usually play for a short amount of time, not 10k spins

That's a classic incorrect way of thinking. It is a major mental block. I've explained this many times.

Say 10,000 players had a system where they'd win almost every time, but they played just one spin. Most players would profit. But the players that lost would lose big. The result from all players combined is still the casino profited.

Learn some fundamentals from www.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/

That brings me to the 'bumblebee theory' technically they
are not supposed to fly, but they manage.

Those are words from someone who doesnt understand the physics, which isnt that complicated.

The math and logic of roulette is VERY SIMPLE AND CLEAR. Payouts are lower than the odds. Simple. It has been said before so many times.

Using the bee analogy is not appropriate. We are not talking fluid dynamics. We're talking basic math.

[Proofreaders2000]

Not really. It's just a slightly unfair payout. To overcome it, you
need only slight accuracy increase. It's not that hard.-Steve H

What abt what Einstein said "Only way to
get money from a Roulette Wheel is to steal it"

(I understand what you're saying, but for the sake of argument)

Say 10,000 players had a system where they'd win almost every
time, but they played just one spin. Most players would profit.

Therein lies the grand discussion.  If most players profited
(and the players were part of a team that's a win 

Using the bee analogy is not appropriate. We are
not talking fluid dynamics. We're talking basic math.

If the bee analogy isn't appropriate what do human beings have to live for.

[Steve]

What abt what Einstein said "Only way to
get money from a Roulette Wheel is to steal it"

1. No proof he actually said that

2. If he did say that, he said table, not wheel. There's a big difference.

3. If he meant the game, he was a moron, or stoned at the time. Much dumber people beat the game every day.

Don't base beliefs on what you read or heard.

If the bee analogy isn't appropriate what do human beings have to live for.

Ice cream.

[Steve]

If most players profited
(and the players were part of a team that's a win 

Then your perfect system is bet almost every number for 1 spin.