Roulette tool ideas

[FreeRoulette]

Please let me know if you have a roulette tool idea for loothog.com

Just when I think I've hit a road block someone comes up with some cool tracker idea. Thanks for contributions over the years!

[Loc]

Please let me know if you have a roulette tool idea for loothog.com

Just when I think I've hit a road block someone comes up with some cool tracker idea. Thanks for contributions over the years!

I have a very good idea for a roulette software, real one, for real physical tables, physics alone, no betting systems and not working stuff. The problem is, i am already working on it 2 years, and i am done 90%+, so not much interest to give it to someone else or sell all that data for some pennies, however if your page have any visitors, when i test it, prove it works, maybe we can partner in advertisement?

[FreeRoulette]

I have a very good idea for a roulette software, real one, for real physical tables, physics alone, no betting systems and not working stuff. The problem is, i am already working on it 2 years, and i am done 90%+, so not much interest to give it to someone else or sell all that data for some pennies, however if your page have any visitors, when i test it, prove it works, maybe we can partner in advertisement?

Someone made a device to calculate where the ball will land, but think they are illegal. How would you use them in a real casino?

[Loc]

Someone made a device to calculate where the ball will land, but think they are illegal. How would you use them in a real casino?

Why should i use them in land based, if i can play online with good wheels, (If you know where to look for them), with 5 - 20times faster dealing speed? If someone would like to use it in land based casinos, then i already can convert it to phone version, it's a cross-platform system, i can put it on mac, linux, windows, probably andriod i guess few more. Of course, i will have to edit the input system, so it can work with clicks input etc, but it's not a big problem.

Also, my software is both for before/after release systems. I wanna add also the dealer signature and maybe bias analysis, so in some cases if the wheel is poor, if you can't win by 4 out of 6 systems, the 2 remaining will give you another way, but even without it, it's already adapted to work even when they call no more bet's early. If Steven's JAA system works how he claims, then 1 out of 3 systems i created for before release ball it's already working, since mine return's 90-95% same betting results, and it uses same approach.

About legal problem, use them where it's legal, they should be legal in about 40 - 50% of casinos. Or just risk, i can play illegal, since the law is dumb and retarded, and i ignore dumb and retarded laws, so i will use them regardless of the legal junk. I have one good trick, how to get rid of the evidence, but not gonna say it here.

[Steve]

Someone made a device to calculate where the ball will land, but think they are illegal. How would you use them in a real casino?

I heard about those. I think they typically hide the clocking cable in a shoe, jacket sleeve, at various parts of the body with a harness switch and multiple buttons with the computer itself in a pocket or hidden elsewhere so nobody sees. Or they can use a hidden pinhole camera which automatically measures wheel and ball speed. I also  think they either use wireless earpieces, induction or some radio frequency band that is never scanned, or they use device vibrations to know where to bet. I also think they are mostly legal because most laws consider cheating only influencing spins, whereas they enigmatic devices just predict spins. So I heard.

[Steve]

Why should i use them in land based, if i can play online with good wheels, (If you know where to look for them), with 5 - 20times faster dealing speed?

Because online casinos much more quickly notice you, and are notorious for refusing payouts. Its possible to win far more at real casinos without being detected.

If Steven's JAA system works how he claims, then 1 out of 3 systems i created for before release ball it's already working, since mine return's 90-95% same betting results, and it uses same approach.

It's a bit presumptuous to say your software does the same thing. You could understand the basics, but the calculations under the hood is not something you're likely to know. But if you have something that works, good on you.

About legal problem, use them where it's legal, they should be legal in about 40 - 50% of casinos. Or just risk, i can play illegal, since the law is dumb and retarded, and i ignore dumb and retarded laws, so i will use them regardless of the legal junk. I have one good trick, how to get rid of the evidence, but not gonna say it here.

Electronic prediction devices are mostly legal, but it's not wise to ignore the laws. You dont need the legal hassle. It's not about getting away with it. With my hybrid computer, not even being strip searched or the phone analyzed in a lab will reveal anything. There are enough legal places to play.

[Loc]

Because online casinos much more quickly notice you, and are notorious for refusing payouts. Its possible to win far more at real casinos without being detected.

It's a bit presumptuous to say your software does the same thing. You could understand the basics, but the calculations under the hood is not something you're likely to know. But if you have something that works, good on you.

Electronic prediction devices are mostly legal, but it's not wise to ignore the laws. You dont need the legal hassle. It's not about getting away with it. With my hybrid computer, not even being strip searched or the phone analyzed in a lab will reveal anything. There are enough legal places to play.

Noo Stev, i am not presumptuous, I will open a new topic and show it. My software support the JAA .csv format, so if you want, you can check it out too. I really don't think that system requires millions of calculations, i doubt it's even 10k of them. It's not about how much it needs, but i just wonder why you said it's that much if it's not really needed. It's what the programmers told you or you create it by your own?

Btw, guess i am still working with the windows version of the data collection software for your JAA soft, since few members did complaining about online play, that they can't keep up. Since i didn't have the money for JAA, i told to my friend that's a good occasion to make some money, and he bought it, but using a phone to play online, it's not the easiest thing(Not to mention that he wasn't able to install it for some reasons, and he asked me to create it) to do (because of dealing speed, some of them literally spin faster than you can bet) so, since i created it for him, i thought maybe it will be good to make it for someone else, don't you think?

[Steve]

My software support the JAA .csv format

Raw data isnt the analysis method.

I really don't think that system requires millions of calculations

It depends on the version. The original JAA web version took about 30 seconds to analyze about 300 spins, because it cross references the data. I took out parts and put most effort into developing the jaa phone version, which is currently the most sophisticated version. It does analysis "on the go".

It's what the programmers told you or you create it by your own?

I designed the algorithms. Of course it's my doing. I have explained basically how cross referencing works at various times.

Btw, guess i am still working with the windows version of the data collection software for your JAA soft, since few members did complaining about online play, that they can't keep up.

There is already a data collection bot for online casinos. It is explained in the player forum. But it needs to be used in conjunction with JAA.

The only difficulty with online play is with the phone version, which is designed for in-casino play. Because online wheels spin much more frequently, sometimes players didnt get prediction in time. Until recently, players used the web version which didnt have that issue. And besides, about a week or so ago a new phone version was released which has settings to get predictions and enter data much quicker, so spins arent missed. It doesnt need a windows version because it already runs on an android emulator, so it runs on both mac and pc.

Not to mention that he wasn't able to install it for some reasons, and he asked me to create it

First I've heard of it. Installing apps is not rocket science. Although you should have a reasonably modern phone. Anything earlier than a samsung s3 wont work unless you upgrade the firmware beyond what the phone manufacturer normally allows via Kies.

(because of dealing speed, some of them literally spin faster than you can bet) so, since i created it for him, i thought maybe it will be good to make it for someone else, don't you think?

Not really because it is already done. The phone version wasnt designed for online play. The web version is, but eventually it will be obsolete compared to the phone version. The original web version had everything I could add to it with a few exceptions. But the server choked because of the cross referencing calculations. It is similar cpu usage to decryption. So another web version was created with a more streamlined process, but misses some parts which are in the phone version, which does calculations on the fly, and with a remote server that's fast enough. I host it at home because hosting a similar server would needlessly waste about $1500/month.

Again, good if you can develop something as good or better. But you are being presumptuous. I know because of what you've said, and what I know to be the case.

[Loc]

I will take this as a compliment. Nevertheless, I will show it, so who is interested can see it, if you don't mind.

[Steve]

No I don't mind. As long as my intellectual property isn't published or shared, beyond what I already publicly share.

[FreeRoulette]

Hey Steve,

Roulette physics programs are over my head, but do you think it would be possible to find the random seed based on the random numbers so your simulation spits out the exact same random numbers as the other program? It would be cool to have a simulation on the same wave as the online roulette machine and tell you the next number in advance.

[Steve]

It is random.org spins which isnt PRNG. Reverse engineering PRNG seed isnt simple. But you can detect and exploit flaws. They will need to be pretty low quality though.

See link:s://:.random.org/analysis/ - anyone wanting to beat PRNG should focus on this kind of testing. But TRNG doesnt use an algorithm.