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Steve

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Perhaps the best way to do this is:

1. Everyone ask CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS QUESTIONS. We'll create a list of questions.

2. Anyone can suggest whoever is suitably qualified to answer the questions.

3. I hire them and answers will be published. The hired person will verify they gave the answers.

doesn't it all come down to n/37 (or 38) anyways?

Yes, it does. No amount of repeaters chasing changes that.

For some members, the answers wont click in their head. This is clear because already these members have had facts and verifying information in their face, but they still haven't understood. Hearing the same thing I and others say, but from a different person, wont change their view.

For example, a question like "can repeaters be used to beat roulette?", the answer is the same as what I said. The reason is because after each spin, we have a new number, then the odds of it repeating next are 1 in 37. So we are going to get repeaters, or at least that's probable. To say you can use that you change the odds is boneheaded.

If the hired consultant is a genius but must answer basic question that the answer can be found with a little research on Google, he'll think we're out of elementary school.

Absolutely. It just goes to show how bad the basic knowledge here is.

Will you screen the questions to ffwd him?

No, but we must all ensure questions are perfectly clear and specific.
Basically all you need to know about roulette, mathematically speaking, is that the payout is unfair and the trials are independent. Any expert is just going to restate those facts over and over, but maybe using statistical jargon which only a few people on the forum will understand.

Correct. But when the person is clearly independent and qualified, it's more difficult to accuse him/her of having an agenda other than simple truth.

If we could ask a maths professor a question like "can we use repeaters to win at roulette?" and get a definitive answer, it would end some long debates

It wont end the debate if the "math beats math game" guys respond with the really, really solid and scientific argument: "you just don't know better"

Here is really long story, which put to shame some of them till such level, that they left forums and stoped talk about roulette at all, some become aggressive and started to attack me.

It can take time to learn who's actually full of shit, especially if you're only fed shit. And very few of my players bother with forums at all. Maybe 1 in 100. Mostly they are a waste of time, because you're communicating with people that have no idea. Forums still have value in finding team members, sharing information privately, and researching new methods like precog.


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Steve, most of the time, I will not get in your way.
But why hire a person who does not specialize in a given field?
Even a person specializing in a given subject will have their theories that are personal and not objective.

I know you are trying to overthrow the Turbo method, but one can not get one from him, the effectiveness of simulations like Parx or RS.
Even in a fun game, why it wins all the time.

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But why hire a person who does not specialize in a given field? Even a person specializing in a given subject will have their theories that are personal and not objective.

Would a mathematician focused on "fluid dynamics" have different solutions to a mathematician focused on "gambling"? Is math an opinion? Is it subjective?

I know you are trying to overthrow the Turbo method

No I'm just helping clear up some elementary thinking, so the forum is more beneficial. The average level of knowledge is around primary school. That's serious for any adult. Even more serious for a gambler with a family.

but one can not get one from him, the effectiveness of simulations like Parx or RS

A mathematician can corroborate what I've already said:

* How broad and unrealistic betting limits make it possible for anyone to win big.

* How free bonus money can be used to win large sums, and give you a huge advantage on the Parx leaderboard.

Even in a fun game, why it wins all the time.

But it doesn't. He lost on MPR, then left to focus on two rather unrealistic games with lots of big winners. Forget Turbo though. If anyone cant put together the pieces by now, they probably wont ever, or at least for some time. The ignorance goes far beyond him.

The slow learning, and backwards thinking of some people makes it clear no matter what facts are in front of them, they'll still see just what they want to see. That's delusion. I dont think its possible to help such people. They just need to come around themselves.

The purpose of potentially hiring a mathematician is so someone clearly impartial and qualified may help end repetitive debates. But like I said, it wont change some people's minds. They are stuck in the "the professionals just dont know better" mentality, rather than looking at the actual math. If people just looked at the facts and math, without any regard for who explained it, the truth would be rather clear. You'll get the same math from any two knowledgeable people.

Part of the problem is some people are too uneducated to understand it. Or not particularly intelligent. It's not a personal stab. It appears to be literal fact.

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I do not even mean that Turbo will win all the time. He   is   evenement.
Hiring a professional math will not change anything.
People, instead of testing something, alweys will be able to play for money without sensible systems and lose fortune, putting the ego in the first place.

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Forums still have value in finding team members, sharing information privately, and researching new methods like precog.
So this is the reason, why I am in forums. And are few such as me.  I want to find persons with whom are possible to discuss.

Naturally - "repeaters" are not for me... Because of that, I write what is interesting to me, so who really can win.

But problem is that in forums are HG owners, which in the real game can do only very pure. And if say that to him, they immediately go to attack, what strange to me is that weapon is almost always the same - grammatical mistakes. Guys,  here is not the linguistical forum.... :)
Not try to beat the game, much easier to beat the wheel...

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Steve, an alternative (and a less costly one), though probably not as fun, would be to compile a list of questions and submit them to Cross Validated. There are some real experts there, these guys really know their stuff and how to explain it well. Usually you get a number of answers and the top ones rise to the top through a voting system.

If you do search for "roulette" you'll see several questions/answers which make for interesting reading.
https://stats.stackexchange.com/search?q=roulette

 

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