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#### Bigbroben

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##### Tiers et Tout + Reverse Labouchėre
I've been thinking lately about those two positive progressions.

Did a few rough drafts of progs that would include both aspects of these two.

Anyone thought of that before?

TnT allows for a loss before a win, whereas RL scraps 2 wins on a loss.

There must be a way to mix these in a safer but less volatile prog setup?
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#### The General

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##### Re: Tiers et Tout + Reverse Labouchėre
The reverse labby can be a lot of fun to play, especially when you're out with friends and are willing to let it ride!
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#### Bigbroben

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##### Re: Tiers et Tout + Reverse Labouchėre
Sure, but I suspect the table maximum would keep the thrill at a lower level, unless online.

Here, outside bets are minimum 10, max 100, so no way to let ride too high, especially with reverse labby's steep rise.  Hence the mix with tiers et tout: less destructive on a loss (or more than one), and a rise reduced to a third.

Real quick:
Say this starting line, where playing top and bottom 1st nrs, like revlab, and giving a second chance with the top and bottom 2nd column:

1   2
2   4
3   6
4   8
5   10  Total: 45

Let's start with a win ( all wins here mean a win at 1st or 2nd attempt, like tnt).
So, 1+5: +6u.
Write 6 in a tnt way: 2-4.
Let's wait for 2 wins before to modify the wagers.

After 2w:
1   2
2   4
3   6
4   8
5   10
---------
2     4
2     4
--------

If we wait to have a group of 2 rows before to rise the stakes, then adding only one of the 2 rows to the stake, next bet would be: again the top and bottom early lines (1+5, then 2+10) and a 2-4, so: 8-16.
Let'S pretend it's another 2 wins:
1   2
2   4
3   6
4   8
5   10
---------
2     4
2     4
--------
2    4  reserve 2
2    4  res. 2
-------

This was a great game, next will also be 2 wins.  We'll take 5+1 then one line of each group, so 5+1+2+2 (10) and their doubles to make it tiers et tout:
1   2
2   4
3   6
4   8
5   10
---------
2     4
2     4
--------
2    4  reserve 2
2    4  res. 2
-------
3    6  res. 1
3   6  res.1
----

...so on:
1   2
2   4
3   6
4   8
5   10
---------
2     4
2     4
--------
2    4  reserve 2
2    4  res. 2
-------
3   6 r1
3   6  r1
-----
4   8  r1
4   8  r1
-----
5   10  r2
5  10  r2

...so on.

I now must think over how to manage losses, what to play after a loss.

Did not calculate or compare odds & payout with revlab or tiers et tout, could end up the same, I suspect it is safer but less spectacular?

To be dug further...

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