@ Caleb regarding your biased numbers. Genuine questions

[Steve]

In any case, prediction is just modeling and variables. Find the relationship between variables and outcomes. Rotor speed is just a variable.

Are you betting before or after ball release?

[Roulettebeater]

In any case, prediction is just modeling and variables. Find the relationship between variables and outcomes. Rotor speed is just a variable.

Are you betting before or after ball release?

Steve,

I bet after ball release, I told you how the system is working, the modeling is working good, however my actual problem is to find which conditions are valid for the current spin, I mean which relation is valid, the -18 pockets or the -9 pockets distance ?

That’s the difference between a real computer and my system, I think a real computer will catch the rotor speed and focus on only one spot, my system can’t do that, instead it’s providing the four possible spots.


Of course I can bet all the four points but that will be too many numbers ? Won’t it be ?

[Turner]

This is nothing to do with my post.

[Steve]

If predictions are early, even a computer may be forced to bet 4 peaks because the ball never rolls the same on different spins. There are too many small bumps and ball track imperfections.

It sounds like you're using vb and looking for a way to deal with different rotor speeds. The effects are:

1. Different rotor travel distance

2. Different scatter, which is mostly linear on some wheels, and far from linear on other wheels.

#1 is easy enough. #2 is much harder and you would ideally study which rotor speed ranges are most predictable, and isolate to them. Thats the simple but not best option.

I suggest test on recorded spins to carefully check where your inaccuracies come from, then you'll best know solutions.

[Roulettebeater]

If predictions are early, even a computer may be forced to bet 4 peaks because the ball never rolls the same on different spins. There are too many small bumps and ball track imperfections.

It sounds like you're using vb and looking for a way to deal with different rotor speeds. The effects are:

1. Different rotor travel distance

2. Different scatter, which is mostly linear on some wheels, and far from linear on other wheels.

#1 is easy enough. #2 is much harder and you would ideally study which rotor speed ranges are most predictable, and isolate to them. Thats the simple but not best option.

I suggest test on recorded spins to carefully check where your inaccuracies come from, then you'll best know solutions.

Steve,
I think what you suggesting is definitely an option, but what about my following workaround ?

Let’s say we find a wheel which is most of the time traveling at near constant speed, then we bet the two strong spots (-18 pockets ) and we cover also two neighbours each side so we have a total of : 10 numbers

2-1-2
2-1-2


Then for security, we cover also the two weak spots (-9 pockets), but this time we cover only one neighbour each side so we have a total of : 6 numbers

1-1-1
1-1-1


So we will be placing a bet on 16 numbers total, now the question is, do you think such a workaround is viable ?

Thx

[luckyfella]

This is nothing to do with my post.

You made a few good points when extrapolated affect a few more things.
So far the explanation offered is not up to mark imo.
It'll be good you express your view whether you feel your points have been properly addressed.
Lets see how far this discussion go

[Steve]

AP wil work against you if not done right. Instead of hitting the right area, you can avoid it and make the casinos edge against you stronger. So you never bet weak points. Only make bets that have an advantage.

[RouletteGhost]

It’s likely that with many AP players, like Caleb, when a sector hits above average it could be random or variance and not actually a bias

He perhaps wins by luck (when he does)

I’ve always said this

[Steve]

There's always both good and bad luck. But when theres genuine advantage, eventually, things go your way. Just like it does for casinos vs normal players.

[Scarface]

My question would be how do you track so many spins and not draw suspension for so long?

To find true bias in a wheel, I'm assuming you would need to track around 10,000 spins.  If the average wheel spins about 30 times an hour, and you spent 8 hours a day watching it (without being noticed), it would take 42 days just to track 1 wheel!  And maybe it's not even bias at all.

Also, why would the casino spend so much on tracking software and not use it to catch bias? 

Even if casino knows the wheel is bias, and plays it anyway, why would they let someone make a killing on those bias numbers without shutting down the table?

Seems like one of those things that sounds good in theory, but not in practice.

[Joe]

Good questions Scarface. 

[Nimo]

My question would be how do you track so many spins and not draw suspension for so long?

To find true bias in a wheel, I'm assuming you would need to track around 10,000 spins.  If the average wheel spins about 30 times an hour, and you spent 8 hours a day watching it (without being noticed), it would take 42 days just to track 1 wheel!  And maybe it's not even bias at all.

Also, why would the casino spend so much on tracking software and not use it to catch bias? 

Even if casino knows the wheel is bias, and plays it anyway, why would they let someone make a killing on those bias numbers without shutting down the table?

Seems like one of those things that sounds good in theory, but not in practice.

Then there is the adult diapers they would have to wear so as to be on the number/section when it hits. 

[The General]

My question would be how do you track so many spins and not draw suspension for so long?

To find true bias in a wheel, I'm assuming you would need to track around 10,000 spins.  If the average wheel spins about 30 times an hour, and you spent 8 hours a day watching it (without being noticed), it would take 42 days just to track 1 wheel!  And maybe it's not even bias at all.

Also, why would the casino spend so much on tracking software and not use it to catch bias? 

Even if casino knows the wheel is bias, and plays it anyway, why would they let someone make a killing on those bias numbers without shutting down the table?

Seems like one of those things that sounds good in theory, but not in practice.

Scarface,

It took me less than a minute to determine that the wheel was biased, and about another ten minutes to identify three potential anomalies and the approximate locations.  The trackers and I then discretely tracked it in shifts off and on over two months.  As a matter of fact, we found six playable biased wheels within this casino, so we proceeded to track every wheel they had.  They also had several wheels in storage that would periodically rotate in and out.  Some wheels would disappear for several months and then reappear.

Even after finding the wheels we continued to track and play them periodically for several years.  The casino never knew we were there until...they did.   The key was to wear recorders just under shirts with foam on the buttons.

The casino knew they had biased wheels and they just chose to move them every few months.

@Roulettebeater,

When we played with your we were playing using a different technique, and as you may recall, it was quite effective.

[The General]

Then there is the adult diapers they would have to wear so as to be on the number/section when it hits.

Nimo,

You wear diapers?  Why would you want to wear diapers?  Why not just take a break to use the bathroom?  We would also take breaks to eat sometimes.

[Nimo]

Nimo,

You wear diapers?  Why would you want to wear diapers?  Why not just take a break to use the bathroom?  We would also take breaks to eat sometimes.

I've sat at a high roller table next to a man that was obviously a AP.  He smelled like shit. His number hit and he won over $50k on the last bet.  He then left, I commented on the smell to the croupier, she told me he has been there for hours farting and fidgeting as if he had to go, but he didn't want to leave since his section wasn't coming up so he kept betting and progressing.  He finally shit his pants about half hour before he won.  Pit boss came over with a crew to clean up his stool and to spray to air it out, I asked him if that guy was a regular, he said no, but he hoped he became one because he was down about $25k

Give me online where I can play for 20-40 minutes, make my bank and enjoy the rest of my day.  No stink or whatever else goes with it.