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#### nottophammer

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Well the loss came, so i decided even thou still plus, to increase too 2unit.
The wins came and now a new high
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#### nottophammer

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well mucked the prog up, i guess as i had 4 hours sleep i'm tired as the rheumatoid arthritis makes sleep a problem, i was upto prog: 5 and had 10#'s to bet with 15 unit but you can see i put 150 on each but it did win

I've got to stop
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#### Mako

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That mistaken 150 bet...nice nice...

On your +1 progression after a loss, does your database of 10-blocks show it's better to reduce the base by -1 after a win, or does it wind up doing better if you stay at the same betting level until back at a new high/back in profit?

Meaning let's say you're at a base bet of 5-5-5-etc, if you win in that next 10-block do you go back to 4-4-4-etc, or do you leave it at 5-5-5-etc until back where you want to be?

#### nottophammer

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Good question Mako
Had a nap and carried on. Purposely lost 2 bets to get back to near where the bank roll should be and carried on betting the prog: times 5.

You can see it won on spin 208, and as you can see a couple more wins, then some losses and prog: is times 8. From this point it wins consecutively and the prog: 8 is just plus. So it was stop. But if carry on to get to the previous high would need to carry on with 8 unit
I’ll take that back in profit.
The question is should one increase the progression or just stay at unit of 1.
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#### nottophammer

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Now i've broke the 360 spins in to blocks of 10 spins using checkpoint, each checkpoint shows 11 spins as spin 11 becomes spin 1
so the 36 blocks 10/10 happned 12 times so a repeat happend in the other 24 the 9/10 being the larger group as usual
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#### Mako

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Good question Mako

Had a nap and carried on. Purposely lost 2 bets to get back to near where the bank roll should be and carried on betting the prog: times 5.

You can see it won on spin 208, and as you can see a couple more wins, then some losses and prog: is times 8. From this point it wins consecutively and the prog: 8 is just plus. So it was stop. But if carry on to get to the previous high would need to carry on with 8 unit

I’ll take that back in profit.

The question is should one increase the progression or just stay at unit of 1.

I ran through a small group of downloaded weisbaden spielbank duisburg spins that are consecutive, from a single table, over a span of 7 hours that particular day.  They're exactly as if you walked up to that table and just played 10-spin blocks over and over basically.

For that group of spins the "First 10" had a hard run, losing 10 of the 30 total blocks played (no repeats), including 5 losses in a row.

So it would need the +1 progression to recover definitely, and you'd have to stay at the highest progression point it got to (8-8-8 in this case) to recover.

And it did actually recover and profit by the end of this particular set, winning each of the final 13 blocks in a row after that hard start.

That set of spins is attached for anyone curious.

#### nottophammer

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Here is the breakdown and compensates the miss staked win.
You see the 1st 11 spins as spin 11 gives the result for 10#’s and becomes spin 1
Columns H, I, J are win values for different stakes
H, is flat bet so if the 10 lost at spin 11 be -55
I is using the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 for every 10 spins no increase to the progression.
J is using the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 until a loss, then +1 until back to previous high.
Cell J471 is +14 so the lost 2 bets to compensate was not bad for R-sim showing +19

As Mako shows it’s +1 but can be a hairy ride.
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#### nottophammer

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Evening the law   good to see you're around
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#### Mako

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Here's the actual chart for the run I posted above, forgot to add it:

#### Mako

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Here's another 40 blocks of 10-spins, on this one you can see it fall, then the progression begins to climb and ultimately it recovers by spin 315. At that point it gets back into profit and the progression is reset from its high of 9-9-9 to the base 1-1-1-etc bet until the end of the session.

The spin set is also attached.

#### nottophammer

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can you see if 9/10 is the most common

Like earlier post out of 36 blocks of 10, 9/10 accounted for 18; and 2/3rd of the blocks were repeats
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At that point it gets back into profit and the progression is reset from its high of 9-9-9 to the base 1-1-1

As we keep the units increasing to get in profit, once achieved; how about minus the unit by 1, as long as wins come like your ending then more profit is made.
Whilst decreasing if get hit then plus 1 unit.

What is causing the problem is blocks of 10/10 no win.

More testing i suppose

Also no win goal is set yet, could you set a target.
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#### nottophammer

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Okay nearly every daily game gets 60 spins.
You can see from the non-hit time tables 9/10 is most common.
So the last 16 days starting 20-10-18; how would the blocks of 10 spin’s show, how often would we see 10/10 no win?
20-10-18; 10L, 10L, 8, 8, 8, 10L
21-10-18; 10L, 9, 10L, 8, 8, 9
22-10-18; 9, 10L, 9, 8, 8, 8
23-10-18; 8, 10L, 8, 8, 8, 9
24-10-18; 7, 9, 8, 10w, 8, 10L
25-10-18; 9, 7, 9, 9, 9, 9
26-10-18 void Marquee was not working
27-10-18; 10w, 10l, 8, 8, 9, 8
28-10-18; 7, 8, 9, 8, 9, 10L
29-10-18; 8, 8, 10w, 9, 9, 10L
30-10-18; 9, 8, 9, 8, 9, 10L
31-10-18; 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 8
01-11-18; 8, 10L, 9, 7, 8, 10w
02-11-18; 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10w
03-11-18; 9, 9, 10L, 9, 9, 8
04-11-18; 9, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9
05-11-18; 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10L
96 blocks of 10 spins; 15 of the 10 spin blocks lose
If you like you can check the dailies.
06-11-18; 10L, 8, 10L, 9, 8, 9
07-11-18; 10w, 10w, 9, 10L, 10L, 8
08-11-18; 8, 7, 9, 9, 8, 10L
09-11-18; 9, 8, 9, 10L, 10w, 7
120 blocks of 10 spins; 21 of the 10 spin blocks lose
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#### nottophammer

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Above shows how the  blocks of 10 spins hit; over 60 spins.
Now the 9/10 comes from the collection of 1000’s of games; be it air-ball, RNG or live wheels.
So it was see how the daily opening 10 spins played using 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, and 3.
I could see just using the opening 10 spins was making a profit, for using the progression, but on a loss it was just use the prog: as above not to increase by 1 as results come from old data.

Now it seems the old idea it’s got to be played non-stop, but as said above it is result of just 10 opening daily spins. So I’ll hear lots of 1 daily game is like 1 long game, maybe not. To play it would be better to play 10 spins, whether win or lose, change table.
So here is 10 games on R-sim, Bet the 10 spins and then rate the game, so these are 10 individual reset games.

So off to a good start
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#### nottophammer

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So another 10 games of 10 opening spins and reset.

Mako, the 1st loss can't be far away, but when it does we'll still be positive bank roll.

So what would you do increase by 1 or stay same level of unit of 1. As you've seen 5; 10/10
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