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Willie

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WFTD
Nov 29, 03:00 PM 2018
This one hasn't busted for me (yet, after 8 sessions)

WG - 10 units / session / table / day (whatever suits you) but take a break!
BR- 40 units

Bet type- Single dozen
Progression- 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 (reached last step twice)

My method- After 2 unique dozen, bet the third to be unique. If not wait for fresh trigger i.e. not considering the one on which you lost

Eg. After dozen 3 and 1 comes bet on dozen 2. If lost.. wait for next two unique dozen sequence like 1,3 or 3,1 or 2,3 but not considering the third dozen on which you lost.

I call it WFTD- Wish for third dozen

Naysayers can call it deriving from grassroots and I am ok with that because its not  :thumbsup:



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Re: WFTD
Nov 29, 04:56 PM 2018
Nice willie, good to see you posting again  :thumbsup:

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Re: WFTD
Nov 29, 07:09 PM 2018
Hi,
did you try it with about 100 sessions?
Should I guess it has 74% to 80 % winningrate..?
 
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Re: WFTD
Nov 29, 11:12 PM 2018
Nice willie, good to see you posting again  :thumbsup:

Hey thanks Mako, how have you been
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Re: WFTD
Nov 29, 11:26 PM 2018
Hi,
did you try it with about 100 sessions?
Should I guess it has 74% to 80 % winningrate..?
 
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Hi Gitano,

No I haven't tried it for so many sessions, that's why posted in notepad.

Its an initial idea but I know why the hitrate is good like see the sequence below:

Two dozen trending:
1,3, (bet for 2) 3, (lost), 1,3 (new trigger), 1 (lost), 0, 3,3,3,1 (bet for 2), 1(lost), 1,00,3,3,3,3

Or, choppy dozens
1,3, (bet for 2) 3, (lost), 2,1 (new trigger), 2,(lost), 0, 3,3,2 (bet for 1), 2(lost), 1,00,3,1 (bet for 2) ,3 (lost),3

Here even after 17 spins, we have only utilized 4 steps of our progression since
a) We aren't betting on every step
b) Not using the 'lost' result in our next bet  :thumbsup:
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Re: WFTD
Nov 30, 03:21 PM 2018
Yes I've understood well, I like the idea very much.
Are you able to test it on excel? I'm trying to do, so we can check it with 100 sessions and more..and I think it has the same win rate as good systems here in the forum. I've noticed that all the good systems have between 74% to 80%..that in my opinion is not enough.

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Re: WFTD
Nov 30, 04:18 PM 2018
Gitano, since you are looking into it, I've previously done over 1000 sessions of what the basic premise of this trigger is, and Grassroots, and others like it, which all have a foundation for single dozen selection that begins with X and Y appearing, then betting on Z to appear.

And no matter how you choose to apply it, it does well enough that if you play on a single zero wheel, or better yet, a BVNZ account that actually is somewhat stable and performs properly (never used it myself, only going by what others have said), that it's worth playing. 

It's no worse than anything else on the forum, and in testing, can win for a while, even if it's smallish units after the net of the lost progression sessions is applied.

You can play it say as WIllie is, where he gives up after a Z doesn't appear in one betting spin attempt, then advances his progression for the next XY trigger attempt, or, just playing Z each time with the full progression until it hits or loses (and accepting the total loss of that progression for as many steps as you choose to attempt if its asleep, resetting, and continuing towards the next trigger), whatever you choose, it winds up roughly the same in the end.

I would advice against playing it on a 00 wheel as in my testing the extra green pocket winds up hurting it enough not to play.

Hard to win on the outside bets over time no matter how you bet them, this one would be fun on a no-zero account as I mentioned...otherwise I'd keep exploring.

Willie: Keep testing and publishing your results, very valuable considering you're playing on an American wheel...don't be put off by my words above, it's all just theory without tens of thousands of spins and XY triggers anyway.  :thumbsup:


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Willie

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Re: WFTD
Dec 02, 12:52 AM 2018
Gitano, since you are looking into it, I've previously done over 1000 sessions of what the basic premise of this trigger is, and Grassroots, and others like it, which all have a foundation for single dozen selection that begins with X and Y appearing, then betting on Z to appear.

And no matter how you choose to apply it, it does well enough that if you play on a single zero wheel, or better yet, a BVNZ account that actually is somewhat stable and performs properly (never used it myself, only going by what others have said), that it's worth playing. 

It's no worse than anything else on the forum, and in testing, can win for a while, even if it's smallish units after the net of the lost progression sessions is applied.

You can play it say as WIllie is, where he gives up after a Z doesn't appear in one betting spin attempt, then advances his progression for the next XY trigger attempt, or, just playing Z each time with the full progression until it hits or loses (and accepting the total loss of that progression for as many steps as you choose to attempt if its asleep, resetting, and continuing towards the next trigger), whatever you choose, it winds up roughly the same in the end.

I would advice against playing it on a 00 wheel as in my testing the extra green pocket winds up hurting it enough not to play.

Hard to win on the outside bets over time no matter how you bet them, this one would be fun on a no-zero account as I mentioned...otherwise I'd keep exploring.

Willie: Keep testing and publishing your results, very valuable considering you're playing on an American wheel...don't be put off by my words above, it's all just theory without tens of thousands of spins and XY triggers anyway.  :thumbsup:

Thanks Mako for your inputs and making this post more informative.
I agree with your points and that single zero is definitely an advantage with all the 'systems' as compared to double zero.

But in this one I feel it will affect you lesser than others because that single/double zero has to come on that exact spin when you decide to bet and that 'can't' happen too often since you are also leaving spins in between waiting for 2 unique dozens and lots of these zeroes will go away in those non bet spins  :)
You are welcome to test this as per my wingoal and let us know if it worked for you as well
(Right now I am at 14 sessions without bust)  ;)
Don't do the done.. (;


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