$100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge

[The General]

Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

[The General]

well? yes..BUT then, with this Steve's "100u MAX BET" I used a *9 step progressionline* +a 4 spin Trigger. SO? That would mean, 1 LOSS (over 14 spins repeat came 1 TIME after *80 000 spins* ??) played with random numbers?? so really ? it's not a event that happens very frequenty??

The four spin trigger is just reducing the number of bets being placed, so of course there will be fewer devastating losses.  Compare the same number of bets with your trigger to the same number of bets without the trigger and you'll find that the results are the same.

You can't side step probability by waiting on the sidelines.

[ignatus]

Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

Alright thanks general I will try this 

[Roulettebeater]

Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

what about flipping the progression up to down ? try it ..
if it doesnt work, then flip it down to up... continue like that until it works!

Come on guys... you cant win using progressions... focus on flatbetting

[The General]

Think of a progression as being just an amount bet or an amplifier.  A variable we can simply call N.  Now if you're expectation is negative, like negative 1 then what possible value can you make N and produce a positive value when you multiply it times -1?

[The General]

Some people like to claim that with an infinite bankroll that they could win in an infinite number of games.  This too is not theoretically true.  Because of the house edge the player would move infinitely far away from break even.

[ignatus]

The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

im sorry, you may have played roulette for 100years, but sry, for the disrespect? BUT this is 1000% Bulls*it....really? I could use a simple Martingale and win 1000% more ......ALL "positive progressionlines" Sink like Titanic (worse than ANY negative progressionlne W h a t s o e v e r. 

[The General]

Up as you lose progressions are the same thing as just chasing your losses.  Inevitably you'll face the devastating run from which you can not recover.

An up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

1.  Up as you lose progressions are irrational because they have the gambler's often risking an absurd amount of money to win just one paultry small unit.  This means that you can't really win dirt with them.

2.  Up as you lose progressions require a puny initial betting making it very difficult to every win more than dirt.

3.  An up as you win progression enables the initial bets to be much larger and provides the player the opportunity to win vastly more if lucky.  It risks more of the house's money as they say. 

4.  If the player truly has the edge the bankroll rate of growth is exponential, much like compounding interest

[Roulettebeater]

Ignatus

Progressions are bad, better to not use them!

If you have a small edge you can still build up  your bankroll slowly.

It’s late in Sweden, why you still awake ? Don’t bother with General, he is on the other side of the Atlantic

[Roulettebeater]

And up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

Well that might be true especially that it’s spelled out by you.

BUT if one has positive edge he doesn’t necessarily need to use any kind of progression..

[ignatus]

And up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

yes? may be so. BUT now we're talking RNG, and NOT "Live wheels" so? Forget about all sectors, and all wheels etc. Now you must find ANOTHER "edge".....we're back to square one? ...I HAVE STILL an "edge" I have STILL the HG (not that you believe, or STEVE believe) so ? what can i say? f*ck you all? haha sry... :S

[The General]

You're hunting for just the right progression to make your system work ..which is of course mathematically impossible.

Instead attack the RNG code.  Pay attention to the time clock interval at which you play.  Measure the fitness of the RNG stream when the numbers are drawn in precise intervals, etc...

[Roulettebeater]

Good one, general

I like it,hunting for the right progression!

This describes exactly what he is stuck at and struggling to accomplish

Ha ha

[ignatus]

Instead attack the RNG code.  Pay attention to the time clock interval at which you play.  Measure the fitness of the RNG stream when the numbers are drawn in precise intervals, etc...

Yes? That's another word for a "Trigger"....Trigger+Betselection+Progression, that's the formula to a "winning system" ..you can study the charts again ...The original STRAIGHTUP for 50 000 spins (tbh, i was to tired to play more spins) AND the STEVE-game positive trend for 80 000 spins..... Show me a similar chart of yours with a "POSTIVE PROGRESSION".... (ON RNG) I Reellyy doubt you can show me that chart....

[The General]

If you really live in Sweden your odds of ever regularly winning much is almost nill.  The reason is they're almost cashless and every transaction is electronic.  APs there are picked out and weeded from the group (banned) as soon as they become regular winners thanks to the electronic currency.  It's a very predatory gaming environment there.  The casino software essentially shuts you down before you get started. 

Electronic currency is a bad idea for gambler's and in many areas of life.  It introduces a third party into your transactions as well as big brother oversight.  Loss of freedom and civil rights.

Try poker if you're in Sweden.  The casino won't care how much you win since you'll be playing against other players.