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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 10, 03:43 PM 2019
Hi Mister Eko,

I use your results and play only after 2 SAME 'triplets' until a win.
(Could use mild progression; "best of 5" has been suggested)
If necessary I carry on betting from beginning of next line.
I stripped out the 0's for clarity and they don't affect things too much.

1,1,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1,
1,1,1, 1,2,1, 2,1,1, Lw
2,1,2, 2,1,2, 2,2,1, Lw
2,2,2, 2,2,2, 1,2,1, w
1,2,1, 2,1,2, 1,1,1,
1,2,1, 2,2,2, 1,2,2,
1,2,1, 2,1,1, 1,1,2,
2,1,1, 2,1,1, 1,2,2,  w
2,1,1, 1,2,1, 1,1,2,
2,2,1, 2,2,1, 2,1,2,  Lw
2,1,2, 2,2,2, 1,1,1,  Lw
1,1,1, 2,1,1, 2,2,1,  w
1,2,1, 2,1,2, 2,1,1,
1,2,1, 1,1,1, 2,2,1,
1,1,2, 1,1,2, 2,2,1,  w
1,2,1, 1,2,1, 1,1,1,  Lw
1,2,2, 1,1,2, 1,2,1,
1,1,2, 1,2,1, 1,2,1,
2,1,1, 1,1,1, 1,1,1,
1,2,2, 1,2,1, 2,2,2, Lw
2,1,1, 1,1,1, 1,2,2,
1,1,2, 1,1,1, 2,2,1,
1,2,1, 1,2,1, 1,2,1, LLL
1,2,2, 1,1,1, 1,1,2, Lw
1,2,2, 1,1,1, 1,2,2,
2,1,2, 2,2,2, 2,2,1,
2,2,1, 1,1,2, 2,1,1, w
2,1,2, 1,2,1, 2,2,1,
1,1,2, 2,2,2, 1,1,1,
2,1,1, 2,2,1, 2,2,1,
1,1,2, 2,1,2, 2,1,2, w
2,2,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1, Lw
2,2,2, 1,1,1, 2,2,2,

But the better way to play against the repeats would be to track all results vertically or horizontally and commence betting as soon as you see a repeat of ANY triplet.
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 10, 03:45 PM 2019
Hi jono,

I call that progression the "best of five" - but better if you reset the count back to 1 ANYTIME you get level or ahead, so use it as a "gr8player five" instead. However - it still can be a grind! LOL :)

I extend my thought to bet AGAINST any triplet of 3 as before but this time only when one has shown up TWICE in succession.
This happens much more frequently than you would think and there are 8 patterns to watch for...
For example:

111111121221111212    =LW

211211222212122111    =LW

121121221111212122     =W

222222221222112211     =LLW

122122111111112212     =LW

Red shows the repeating triplets. Bold shows the W's

:)

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The ‘best of five progression’. Thanks Atlantis.  It’s a very safe way of betting but you need patience.

I like your idea of betting against a pattern that appears twice. Another good strategy.

Thanks Atlantis

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 10, 03:52 PM 2019
Hi IVO,

I test some Opposite 9's sessions too:

+67 flatbet   :)

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Great job Atlantis! Love the flatbet.... 😊

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 10, 03:55 PM 2019
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The ‘best of five progression’. Thanks Atlantis.  It’s a very safe way of betting but you need patience.

I like your idea of betting against a pattern that appears twice. Another good strategy.

Thanks Atlantis

Hi Jono - well winner said he had 40,000 results and had not seen a triplet hit 6 times in succession over 36 spins (18 'pair' results)

112-112-112-112-112-112  - very rare, not seen yet, but *could occur*

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 10, 05:23 PM 2019
Hi Jono - well winner said he had 40,000 results and had not seen a triplet hit 6 times in succession over 36 spins (18 'pair' results)

112-112-112-112-112-112  - very rare, not seen yet, but *could occur*

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Its okay atlantis, but I see that very rare to bet, somewhere in your example I saw 3 line to miss betting, its 3x9 27 bets, equals 54 spins to miss!

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 02:00 AM 2019
Hi Jono - well winner said he had 40,000 results and had not seen a triplet hit 6 times in succession over 36 spins (18 'pair' results)

112-112-112-112-112-112  - very rare, not seen yet, but *could occur*

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Thanks Atlantis, that’s some very handy information to have.

Anyway, for testing, I have decided to go with the ‘betting against’ approach.

Winners method using the ‘Best of Five’ staking (Test series).

Procedure: I am betting the opposite of 10 spins (2x best of five staking).

2    1    2    2    1    2    1    2    1     1
1    2    1     1    2    1    1    1     1     1
W W  W    W  W   W  L   W    L     L
Spins 1-10, all level 1 bets.
(+4)

1    2    1    1     2    1    1     1    1     1
2   2    2    1     1    2    1     1    2    2
W  L   W   L    W   W   L    L    L    W
Spins 11-15, level 2 bets. Spins 16-20,  level 1 bets.
(+1)

2    2    1    1    2     1     2     2     1     2   
L    L   W   L   W    W   W    W    L     L
Spins 21-25, level 2 bets. Spins 26-28, level 3 bets. Spins 29-30, level 1 bets (I was halfway through level 3, but I hit a high and so reset to level 1).
(+5)

2    2    1    1    2    1    2    2    1     2
2    1    1    2    1    2    2    2    1     2
L   W   L    W  W   W  L     L    L     L
Spins 31-40, all level 1 bets.
(-2)

2    1    1    2    1    2    2    2    1     2
2    2   1    2    2    1     2    2    2    1
L   W   L   L    W   W   L    L    W   W
Spins 41-45, level 2 bets. Spins 46-50,  level 3 bets.
(+1)

2    2   1    2    2    1     2    2    2    1
2    2   1    1     1    2     2    2    2    1
L    L   L   W   W  W    L    L     L    L
Spins 51-55, level 1 bets. Spin 56, level 2 bet (new high). Spins 57-60,  level 1 bets.
(-3)

2    2   1    1     1    2     2    2    2    1
2    2   1    2     1    2    2    1    1    1
L    L   L   W    L    L   W   W  W   L
Spins 61-65, level 2 bets. Spins 66-70,  level 3 bets.
(-9)

2    2   1    2     1    2    2    1    1    1
1    1    1    1     1     1    1    2    1    2
W  W  L   W   L    W   W   W  L   W
Spins 71-75, level 4 bets. Spins 76-80,  level 3 bets.
(+13)

1    1    1    1    1     1    1    2    1     2
2   2    2   2    1     1    2   1     2    2
W W  W  W   L    L    W  W   W  L
Spins 81-90, all level 1 bets.
(+4)

2   2    2   2    1     1    2   1     2    2
2   1    2    2    2    1    2   2    1     2
L   W  L    L    W   L  W   W  W    L
Spins 91-95, level 1 bets. Spins 96-100,  level 2 bets.
(+1)
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Total = +15
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 05:53 AM 2019
Thanks Atlantis, that’s some very handy information to have.

Anyway, for testing, I have decided to go with the ‘betting against’ approach.

Winners method using the ‘Best of Five’ staking (Test series).

Procedure: I am betting the opposite of 10 spins (2x best of five staking).

2    1    2    2    1    2    1    2    1     1
1    2    1     1    2    1    1    1     1     1
W W  W    W  W   W  L   W    L     L
Spins 1-10, all level 1 bets.
(+4)

1    2    1    1     2    1    1     1    1     1
2   2    2    1     1    2    1     1    2    2
W  L   W   L    W   W   L    L    L    W
Spins 11-15, level 2 bets. Spins 16-20,  level 1 bets.
(+1)

2    2    1    1    2     1     2     2     1     2   
L    L   W   L   W    W   W    W    L     L
Spins 21-25, level 2 bets. Spins 26-28, level 3 bets. Spins 29-30, level 1 bets (I was halfway through level 3, but I hit a high and so reset to level 1).
(+5)

2    2    1    1    2    1    2    2    1     2
2    1    1    2    1    2    2    2    1     2
L   W   L    W  W   W  L     L    L     L
Spins 31-40, all level 1 bets.
(-2)

2    1    1    2    1    2    2    2    1     2
2    2   1    2    2    1     2    2    2    1
L   W   L   L    W   W   L    L    W   W
Spins 41-45, level 2 bets. Spins 46-50,  level 3 bets.
(+1)

2    2   1    2    2    1     2    2    2    1
2    2   1    1     1    2     2    2    2    1
L    L   L   W   W  W    L    L     L    L
Spins 51-55, level 1 bets. Spin 56, level 2 bet (new high). Spins 57-60,  level 1 bets.
(-3)

2    2   1    1     1    2     2    2    2    1
2    2   1    2     1    2    2    1    1    1
L    L   L   W    L    L   W   W  W   L
Spins 61-65, level 2 bets. Spins 66-70,  level 3 bets.
(-9)

2    2   1    2     1    2    2    1    1    1
1    1    1    1     1     1    1    2    1    2
W  W  L   W   L    W   W   W  L   W
Spins 71-75, level 4 bets. Spins 76-80,  level 3 bets.
(+13)

1    1    1    1    1     1    1    2    1     2
2   2    2   2    1     1    2   1     2    2
W W  W  W   L    L    W  W   W  L
Spins 81-90, all level 1 bets.
(+4)

2   2    2   2    1     1    2   1     2    2
2   1    2    2    2    1    2   2    1     2
L   W  L    L    W   L  W   W  W    L
Spins 91-95, level 1 bets. Spins 96-100,  level 2 bets.
(+1)
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Total = +15
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Nice testing Jono! But what means level 1, 1 unit, level 2, 2 units?

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 06:14 AM 2019
1,1,2, 2,2,1, 1,1,1,
1,1,1, 1,2,1, 2,1,1, Lw
2,1,2, 2,1,2, 2,2,1, Lw
Hi Atlantis, i like your idea, just for clarification please confirm that i have got it  right:   
HL,LH,LL, HH,LL,HL, LH,HL,HL
HL,LH,HL, HL,HH,LH, LL,HL,HL
LL,LH,HH, HH,LH,LL, HH,HH,LH.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 06:26 AM 2019
Nice testing Jono! But what means level 1, 1 unit, level 2, 2 units?

No worries Boyd, it’s called  ‘Best of Five’ strategy. See instructions below....

The staking plan is broken down into lines. Each line consists of groups of five results. If at the end of five results you have a loss, you move to the next level for another 5 bets. If you are in profit, you go down a line.

Level 1 (5 bets of 1 unit)
1          1         1          1         1     
If you finish these five results for a loss, then you move to the next line.

Level 2 (5 bets of 2 units)
2          2         2          2         2     

Level 3 (5 bets of 3 units)
3         3         3          3         3   

When you finish in profit at the end of 5 results, you drop a back a level. However, use your discretion. If you are in profit and you haven’t finished the line, you can drop back anyway. Use your judgement.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 06:47 AM 2019
Hi jono,

I call that progression the "best of five" - but better if you reset the count back to 1 ANYTIME you get level or ahead, so use it as a "gr8player five" instead. However - it still can be a grind! LOL :)

I extend my thought to bet AGAINST any triplet of 3 as before but this time only when one has shown up TWICE in succession.
This happens much more frequently than you would think and there are 8 patterns to watch for...
For example:

111111121221111212    =LW

211211222212122111    =LW

121121221111212122     =W

222222221222112211     =LLW

122122111111112212     =LW

Red shows the repeating triplets. Bold shows the W's

:)

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Time to give this a test Atlantis. I guess a bit of patience is involved but I believe it will be worth it.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 08:24 AM 2019
Need to test it with my numbers jono. If the first 3000 spin is profitable than okey. I not even had first 300 spin profitable.

And we cant ignore the 0, because if we are betting, zhe 0 can come, and its a loss.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 09:11 AM 2019
Hi Atlantis, i like your idea, just for clarification please confirm that i have got it  right:   
HL,LH,LL, HH,LL,HL, LH,HL,HL
HL,LH,HL, HL,HH,LH, LL,HL,HL
LL,LH,HH, HH,LH,LL, HH,HH,LH.


Hi Loukoumas,

Yes that is how I am playing it, but you don't need to restrict to lines of 9 as I showed in Mister Eko's results.
Just track the 'pair' results until you see ANY double triplet trigger eg:

112211222111221(112112)12  = LW

HINT: Do it on a rolling basis - always look back at the last six results in the tracking history to check for the next double triplet trigger...

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 02:00 PM 2019
Some may know I looked at 'pair betting' dominants before. This topic here might be interesting to some:
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17630.msg163649#msg163649
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 02:24 PM 2019
Posting only betting on 2s with in a 3 frame spin . 12481632
121121+1
112122+3
222212+5
212122+5
222122+5
112112+2
222111-4
121222+5
222222+6
122222+5
212222+5
222122+5
212222+5
221222+5
222222+6
221221+3
212222+5
222211+1
21112+2
122122+4
212122+4
121222+4
222122+5
If math is correct
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 11, 02:33 PM 2019
Forget that made a mistake hate when that happens

 

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