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Taotie

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At least we can agree that, as I've always said, bankroll is king!

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If bankroll is king, the war is lost even before the 1st blood is drawn.

An army of 1,000 man vs the opponent army of 1,000,000 man.

Look at the dealers tray of chips that you buy in your bankroll, your stack is overwhelmed.

Wars and battles are not won by numbers. Read history.

From an army of 1,000 man, select just the suited few for the forth coming battle.

To win, know your enemy know yourself. Choose your battle.

True victory is won before the 1st shot is fired.

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What the hell does a 100 spin graph prove about using chess strategies for roulette?


Ahhh, you must be playing blitz chess.   :smile:


That's very clever luckyfella, you're onto something there. A great contribution to the thread, and food for thought. :thumbsup:

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What the hell does a 100 spin graph prove about using chess strategies for roulette?


Ahhh, you must be playing blitz chess.   :smile:


That's very clever luckyfella, you're onto something there. A great contribution to the thread, and food for thought. :thumbsup:
For Ricky's sake, stop posting your useless loser dribble on this thread pls. TQ
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Thanks to luckyfella's stumbling, we can direct the discussion to a more likely application of chess strategy for roulette.

Chess is all about playing for check mate, or for the opponent to retire. Well, roulette will never retire. So for roulette chess, it's checkmate or nothing.

Blitz chess however, is all about material points. At the end of certain time constraints, the  player with the highest accumulated material points wins.


I believe blitz chess strategies would be far better suited to roulette.

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Taotie

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What the hell does a 100 spin graph prove about using chess strategies for roulette?

Hey, you could try answering the question.

Perhaps I should rephrase it. What does posting a totally random and unexplained 100 spin sample bring to the discussion?

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Thanks to luckyfella's stumbling, we can direct the discussion to a more likely application of chess strategy for roulette.

Chess is all about playing for check mate, or for the opponent to retire. Well, roulette will never retire. So for roulette chess, it's checkmate or nothing.

Blitz chess however, is all about material points. At the end of certain time constraints, the  player with the highest accumulated material points wins.


I believe blitz chess strategies would be far better suited to roulette.
Here is my answer to the question.

I agree with your blitz chess analogy.

That's how I play roulette.
Ofc the strategy is math base.

The graph shows how I chose my battles as the chess moves are presented by the wheel.

I decide when, where and how much to commit it many multiple mini battles.

Each of this mini battle is allotted a cost. I don't have to win all battles.
My objective is to win the war, ie. win more material with least collateral damage.

That's explains for the relevance of the graph I posted. That itinerate the details of the entire 100spins war I chose to engage in.

A real practical demonstration of the wall of text I post here.

Hope this answers your question.
Cheers.
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Perhaps I should rephrase it. What does posting a totally random and unexplained 100 spin sample bring to the discussion?
Like the chess game, there is no way to explain the intricate moves of each game in a single post.

At best is to touch the broad base strategy that OP intended for his thread. That I have done in my posts above.
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Toatie/Luckyfella, both good posts.
I'm glad to see an intellectual discussion starting and we can share ideas as a team. As I said, I'm not interested in anyone revealing their system if they choose not to. My interest is in improving my game just like we can all improve our chess game. As a child I enjoyed playing chess but nothing beats getting paid for using your strategies to beat roulette. So combine the two games and we can overpower the enemy.

Point 1: Know your enemy.
Point 2: Have a plan before you go into battle. The war is won or lost before the battle begins. So true.
Point 3: The size of the Galliath should not overwhelm us. Think Brave Heart. Why do Casinos fear Advantage Players? The little guy with a brain is a threat to their business model. Think  Don Johnson of Blackjack fame. He was only a racerack manager turned professional gambler.

So don't underestimate what we can learn playing chess strategies to beat the house.

Keep the ideas flowing. I'm keen to learn as much as you are to hear my ideas.

More to come.

Cheers,
Ricky

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Ricky,

all those different pieces of chess are put on different places on the board to elaborate the strategy, to get ready for defense or to attackPositioning, just as on the roulette board.

Attack: would to parallel an attack with wagers?  Reinvest a won battle's treasure in another attack on the same ennemy's weak spot?  I.e, short-term compound of success...?

Defense: Not to attack all the time, spare the troops, wait, small squirmishes in the meantime, lose a pion...

Life is hard, and then you die.
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Another way to look at table layout or wheel betting is the territorial strategy where multiple 'traps' are set up to capture the opponents material, similar to the game of go. Here management of resources, ie. bankroll is key to always try maintain balance of survival until the 'traps' are sprung.
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I wish I had learned Go also, it seems very strategic.
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Hope everyone is having fun. I certainly am watching your input coming in. This place is like a house on fire. I think we have some seasoned players here and I am greatful for your contributions. My starting idea was not going to be this elaborate but I can see how you are all thinking. Brilliant.

Lets summarize your points so we can expand on them in the thread. Some may even be worthy of their own thread.

1. Start small bets and stage an attack. Get some little victories and collect your ammunition for the bigger battle (Bigbroben)  :thumbsup:
2. Redeploy your lute with a bigger attack when your oppoenent is at his most weakest. Eg a streak of reds or lows is forming. Your opponent can't help himself to give you an easy victory. Use your stolen ammunition to feed the fire of his weakness. Result is a bigger victory. Traditionally called Parlaying part of your winnings for free bet (Bigbroben)  :thumbsup:
3. Use Defensive measures to either regroup or retreat when you have finished a session. Wait and see what your oppenents next move will be.  :thumbsup:
4. Set a trap by covering the wheel with various bets (overlapping, whole sectors) etc to force the opponent to hit a certain part of the wheel. Don't give him the whole wheel to aim at, use VB to identify where he is most weakest and set a trap. No use wasting amo where he  is unlikely   to attack next move (luckyfella)  :D

We will explore these ideas so should be really interesting. I think we may just find that HG.

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Ok. Not sure how this will turn out but will start with an unoriginal idea (two actually) to see if we can create a simple system people can play to practice managing their bankroll. After this idea I have one that practices moving chess pieces around the board to hedge bets and respond to the wheel's next move. But that will be posted later.

System 1. (my interpretation of two veteren posters on this forum and others).
I have played 360 downloaded spins of a live wheel roulette from Bremin Casino and produced the below graph


Don't worry, I am not going to keep you guessing on what I'm playing. But I want to see if we can improve the rules to better capture our profits. This is just an example of two systems combined that should not cost us a large bankroll but we can utilize the casino winnings to increase our bets in a systematic way. We will not play continuously with the strategy if we have not won a few battles.

Before I reveal whom I am referring to and the rules I used I want those who wish to contribute to tell me what I'm doing just to make it interesting and fun. The RX session data and export of spins and bets are in attach zip file. There is no RX code I played this manually using some rules that I made up on the fly in response to what I was seeing. But there is an underlying strategy I used. It so happened to provide a profit in this instance. A HG by no means but it could be a base for a solid method. Let see if anyone agrees. If not we can move on.

Back tomorrow with abated breath to see what you come up with.

Cheers,
Ricky

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For me deception is an important part of my strategy at the casino. I don't play system roulette but as Ricky said, system play versus advantage play is a debate for another day. But the important thing to know about wheel clocking and sector play is if the casino suspect you may be doing it and winning, they disrupt it by changing the conditions. Therfore I need to be deceptive about what I am doing.

In chess we sometimes see deception in action. Play on one wing could be a ploy to lure the opponents resources, or misplace his queen. You may even gambit material to do so. This is followed by a mating attack on the other wing.

Another example would be setting a trap. Offering material which results in trapping the queen as in the poisened pawn variation of the Sicilian.

Or one may deceive by preparing a line in private including an opening novelty which you then spring on an opponent  when he is expecting you to play something else.

In advantage play, there are two main phases. The data gathering phase and  the execution. Data gathering may include diamond fall off plots, bounce and scatter plots, looking at dealer rotor speeds, or dealer quirks and habits. I would want to watch 100's of spins and results before I start playing more seriously.

Hanging around for hours just looking at the wheels and recording is suspicious behaviour. So, I will act like a regular player. I'll make minimal bets here and there often on red or black which only attracts a minus 1.35% house edge. I may make comments like 4 reds in a row, black must hit now, and pretending to be recording reds and blacks while actually  recording diamond and scatter plots. All recording is done on the cards provided by the house. Later I will transfer the data to a spreadsheet or notebook at home.

If a wheel or dealer is worth playing, I then come back and bet more on sectors. I don't usually call out neighbours but make sector bets based in splits, streets, and corners. Sometimes I bet a few straight up. If predictions are good and I start winning I will also make the odd minimum bet on red or black. The house knows clockers and sector players can't win on even chances so my betting pattern is confusing.

Lastly, I conceal winnings. Higher value chips go in the pockets so the only thing visible is a small stack. I don't gloat or parade chips  if I'm up. In fact I always pretend I'm down or unlucky. Another ploy is buying in with cash for more colour even if you don't need to. Pit bosses like to see a regular stream of banknotes going in the drop slot.

This may all sound a lot of effort, but it is really easy for the pit boss to change the ball or ask the dealer to vary it or change the dealer. So I strive to maintain good conditions as long as possible and lull the house into a false sense of normality.

 

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