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Smart Progression

Started by Kali49, Nov 18, 11:09 AM 2019

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Kali49

I noticed that nobody mentioned this technique, so here it goes:

Let's take the famous martingale progression playing even chances (R/B)

Playing Red:

We play 6 bets in one line with 1 unit:

R B R R B B ( +1  -1  +1  +1 -1 -1 )

Next we play only the ones that lost:

R B R R B B
0 R 0 0  B R ( 0  +2  0  0 -2  +2)

Next we play the last one that lost:

R B R R B B ( +1  -1  +1  +1 -1 -1 )
0 R 0 0  B R ( 0  +2    0    0  -2  +2)
0 0 0 0  R 0   ( 0  0    0    0  +4   0)

Total win for this session : +6 units.

Advantages of this smart martingale:
You are always Flatbeting on every level of the progression, you are never putting huge amounts to win 1 unit.

There are ways to decrease the number of losses and increase the number of winning sessions.

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Kali49

Hint: game theory, Min max concept.

Guys, I will appreciate if you rate my post, so I will post more advanced concepts, thank you.
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Roulettebeater

Quote from: Kali49 on Nov 18, 11:09 AM 2019


Advantages of this smart martingale:
You are always Flatbeting on every level of the progression


Cool but what you said isn’t true

No you aren’t always fltabetting on every level of the progression
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Kali49

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 18, 12:39 PM 2019
Cool but what you said isn’t true

No you aren’t always fltabetting on every level of the progression

Thanks for replying  :smile:

This concept isn't limited to 6 bets for a session, you can bet 36 bets:
Line 1 : flat bet 36 spins with 1 unit.
Line 2 : flat bet only lost bets of line 1 with 2 units.
Line 3 : flat bet only the lost bets of line 2 with 4 units.

To a certain extent, you are right.
However using this techniques you can so things that weren't available using the traditional approach.
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Joe

Hi Kali49, so it looks like you're playing a 'random vs random' kind of bet selection, correct? You're betting that the same sequence won't show up repeatedly.

It's an interesting twist on the usual method.
Logic. It's always in the way.

Kali49

Quote from: Joe on Nov 18, 02:36 PM 2019
Hi Kali49, so it looks like you're playing a 'random vs random' kind of bet selection, correct? You're betting that the same sequence won't show up repeatedly.

It's an interesting twist on the usual method.

Notice if I lost the last bet, I would have been down just -2 units, If I win the last bet I win 6 units pure profit.
Awesome huh don't you think.
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Kali49

Mixing flat betting approach with negative or positive progression.

Note: Every strategy or concept I share here, will also be published in my humble corner of the internet the link is in my signature.
I will share here first then copy the article into my personal blog-forum.
Steve I will refer to this forum from my blog, I hope that's ok with you.
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Kali49

The Smart martingale goes very softly on your bankroll as opposed to the usual martingale.

I am a Haskell framework developer, I
will write a simple program to play using this approach and share it here for you guys.
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Person S

Thank you, an interesting concept :thumbsup:
Which LOSE group are you capable of overcoming this type of bet?
And please, create a slightly detailed example for those who are not familiar with game theory.

Kairomancer

Thanks. That is a very good idea.
I think playing this progression to break even would be even more safe.

Just imagine that at each level you take the total sum of your six bets, and if you are down just by a few unit (example 3 units) you try to brake even on the next level with 3 times 1 unit chips.
If you lose all 3 units at the second level you try to recover on the third level by 6 times 1 units just like on the first level.
If you fail to recover and you go below minus 6 units then you can either increase your bets to break even on the next level or you can extend the bets to more than 6 times, or you can combine the two depending on your play style.

If you utilize this progression with even chance pattern/trend betting knowing that a pattern can last for long streaks you get a good and safe winning system.




GLC

At one time members thought I was the progression master. 
I did have fun with them.
I have posted at least 30 different progressions.  And there were many others that I never posted because they all ended up at the same place.
I realized that there's always a sequence that can ruin you.  Maybe you won't ever see it in your lifetime or maybe it will show up the very next time you sit down to play.
I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just suggesting that you do a lot of testing on this progression before you decide to swim out too far from shore.
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

Kali49

Quote from: GLC on Nov 18, 09:52 PM 2019
At one time members thought I was the progression master. 
I did have fun with them.
I have posted at least 30 different progressions.  And there were many others that I never posted because they all ended up at the same place.
I realized that there's always a sequence that can ruin you.  Maybe you won't ever see it in your lifetime or maybe it will show up the very next time you sit down to play.
I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just suggesting that you do a lot of testing on this progression before you decide to swim out too far from shore.

Thank you for the warning, always play responsibly.

I Like this progression because it's not aggressive, and it never put me on a situation where I have to bet huge amounts of units to win one, it follows the statistical distribution by the letter, so the worst thing that could happen is  breaking even especially if you play large sessions.
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Kali49

Quote from: Person S on Nov 18, 05:42 PM 2019
Thank you, an interesting concept :thumbsup:
Which LOSE group are you capable of overcoming this type of bet?
And please, create a slightly detailed example for those who are not familiar with game theory.

I will explain and give more examples once I finish a few commitments :) .
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Kali49

Quote from: Person S on Nov 18, 05:42 PM 2019
.. create a slightly detailed example for those who are not familiar with game theory.

Start here Wikipedia :
Minimax (sometimes MinMax, MM[1] or saddle point[2]) is a decision rule used in artificial intelligence, decision theory, game theory, statistics and philosophy for minimizing the possible loss for a worst case (maximum loss) scenario. When dealing with gains, it is referred to as "maximin"â€"to maximize the minimum gain. Originally formulated for two-player zero-sum game theory, covering both the cases where players take alternate moves and those where they make simultaneous moves, it has also been extended to more complex games and to general decision-making in the presence of uncertainty.

Or here :
In game theory, minimax is a decision rule used to minimize the worst-case potential loss; in other words, a player considers all of the best opponent responses to his strategies, and selects the strategy such that the opponent's best strategy gives a payoff as large as possible.
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el hungaro

Hi Guys.I'm curious Glc's opinion of dr Talos  progression?I'm glad you're here.

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