Rolette Extreme Experts

[LUDOMANIAC]

Hi everybody, After so many atempts looking, experimenting and testing so many systems, some of my own, I think that the most reliable holly grail, is still the labouchere system, In black or red versions. All the ones who have Roulette Extreme, have that system by default, so I`m  not touching  something new, nevertheless I hadn`t seen nobody talk about it in this forum and wonder why.
At least I must mention that it works prety fine in my casinos I only play one live dealer Roulette, and the performance on that is satisfactory, I tested also in other casinos in diferent countries and it also works fine,if it will be posible to avoid the drawdowns it will be just perfect for me, is not a system to make thousands in a short period but it will do in a long run, avoiding the the dropdowns it will be consistent in the long run.
Thats why I decide to break silence and try to find serious gambler coders to join and try to build the missing parts of the system that allows to avoid the drawdows. (see the tests)
In this matter I have two ideas:
1)     A method to ad into roullette extreme laboucherre system that manage a stoploss and go ahead points  [ the premise
        that better to loose something than loosing everything ]( see the collage)
2)  After testing in Rx;  translate the system into js. jquery where It works quite well by injecting it to the Dom thanks for the ideas brought up by webstars and herby discutions in past may posts.
If someone interested and will to develop please join, here or by pm where we can share js, experience and code.
Have a nice gambling day

[Bigbroben]

Hi,

glad someone is interested in Labouchere, may it be regular or reverse Labouchere.  I prefer the reverse but anyway.

I did code both in Excel, which is something I am proud of!

I had a thought: include Tiers et Tout strategy with Labouchere.  I'd go with Labouchere as the primary system and use the T&T as a positive progression.   For sure any mix of these will bring down to the house edge, but the positive prog will allow to capitalize on the winning streaks.  As of reducing heavy head winds, it could.  Remains to be seen.


I'll try to spend a bit of time on the idea tonight or soon.

[LUDOMANIAC]

Hi BIGBROBEN,
I dont know what is  Tiers et Tout strategy, I had red something about but seem kind of risky , my experience is that the regular labouchere , is the most reliable of all I`d tested, with modifications included.
I manage to produce a js script and works fine in the Dom, but I think that my aproach to labouchere is probably not accurate thats why I dont get the results I expected.And of course I havent found a solution to the dropdowns to avoid heavy loses when happens.
A friend of mine coded a tester in R but the same,it looks like the labouchere aproach is not accurate cause the graphical results are quite diferent to the one in rextreme. I think that mixing two systems is not a good idea one can lead to crash the other, better to keep it simple, If one allready works, why go around testin something diferent, better concentrate in the eforts of develop the one that worksall ready. If you want to increase the money, you just increase the progression, see the graphic.

[Steve]

Looks like typical progression system. 99% of it looks great. 1% takes you to hell.

[ati]

Yeah, it's way too easy to win with simulations. Let's say you joined the game at spin 350, you play nearly 100 spins and you are already down 1000 units. Would you really continue playing a keep increasing your bets?
At -1600 there is a bet of 1197 units and nothing guarantees that it will win. You'd either reach the table limit or lose all your money.

I know I sound a bit negative, but this is just a warning, because I think charts like this made me lose a lot of money. I ran many simulations and saw that it can never lose with progressions, but every time I played with my hard earned money, I often got scared to increase my bets and I quit with a big loss.

[LUDOMANIAC]

Yeah Steve and ATI thats right, thats what I`m trying to get a method to avoid the drawdowns, lets say if your starting bankrool is 200 units, you manage a stoploss of 100 if the draw down is higher you stop betting and continue the betting when the sistem come back to the starting point, in the labouchere progresion betting [1,2,3,4,] means 5 units, then you start betting again, with these you might be loosing a bit or lot, but you can keep going, in the other hand, at the same time you might continue loosing  a lot more and either reach the table limit or loose them all wich means game over. (see the graphic of the past 18 hours.)

[Bigbroben]

if you want to be sure not to get deep drawdown, might as well use the reverse labouchere.  It offers slow drown instead of deep drawdown (!!!) with potential of high winnings.  Just mirror the Labouchere graph to give you an idea.

Check in the MonteCarlo book: I think one explains how he was splitting the Labouchere stakes in order not to get too high bets.  Anyway, there are many MoneyManagement threads on this forum.

[Bigbroben]

I dont know what is  Tiers et Tout strategy, I had red something about but seem kind of risky ,

It is risky of having a great compounding winning streak when it happens.  I do not see how positive progression strategies can get risky.  Worst case scenario is you lose your bankroll after a long fight and perhaps lots of fun too.  I prefer this to losing it all in 4-5 spins.

[nottophammer]

Yeah, it's way too easy to win with simulations. Let's say you joined the game at spin 350, you play nearly 100 spins and you are already down 1000 units. Would you really continue playing a keep increasing your bets?
At -1600 there is a bet of 1197 units and nothing guarantees that it will win. You'd either reach the table limit or lose all your money.

I know I sound a bit negative, but this is just a warning, because I think charts like this made me lose a lot of money. I ran many simulations and saw that it can never lose with progressions, but every time I played with my hard earned money, I often got scared to increase my bets and I quit with a big loss.

Classic
You're told by the experts to test and some experts tell you use roulette extreme; like you did ATI.
So if those graphs are false and when you use real money and lose; so why bother with tests by RXtreme.
Classic, just classic

[Steve]

Test with rx, but import reputable spins to test.