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Re: Testing systems
Feb 13, 07:07 PM 2020
Neither, but they are from a reliable source and definitely from just one table.

They all look random as hell.  If one of them is a live wheel then it's definitely a bi directional wheel.  I need single spin direction.  I have the data if you need it.

Again, don't assume that the German wheels are always the same wheel and the same is true for online wheels.  They are changed out regularly.
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Re: Testing systems
Feb 14, 04:19 AM 2020
The file with the actuals is spin2.txt. I got them from a website called rouletteresearch.com (no longer there) some time ago. You probably know of the owner George Melas who is, or was, the chief wheel engineer at Huxley. The spins came from a London casino if I remember rightly. 

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I need single spin direction.

But if you need additional data you're crossing into AP territory and the point of the OP was that testing of systems should be done using live wheel spins. Do you agree with him? I've just shown that it makes no difference, haven't I?

Of course  if a wheel isn't maintained then over a period it's going to become somewhat biased to the extent that it's vulnerable, but this isn't the 'typical' case, is it?

Maybe you can answer a question regarding VB; if a wheel is level (no dominant diamonds) is it possible to use VB effectively on it? There are vendors who sell VB packages and claim that their methods can be used on level wheels, but I'm skeptical.
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Re: Testing systems
Feb 14, 08:26 AM 2020
VB can sill beat perfectly level wheels, although only in strict conditions. It takes significantly more analysis, a better understanding of the physics, and a practical approach to make level-wheel play viable with VB.

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Re: Testing systems
Feb 14, 01:48 PM 2020
The file with the actuals is spin2.txt. I got them from a website called rouletteresearch.com (no longer there) some time ago. You probably know of the owner George Melas who is, or was, the chief wheel engineer at Huxley. The spins came from a London casino if I remember rightly. 

But if you need additional data you're crossing into AP territory and the point of the OP was that testing of systems should be done using live wheel spins. Do you agree with him? I've just shown that it makes no difference, haven't I?

Of course  if a wheel isn't maintained then over a period it's going to become somewhat biased to the extent that it's vulnerable, but this isn't the 'typical' case, is it?

Maybe you can answer a question regarding VB; if a wheel is level (no dominant diamonds) is it possible to use VB effectively on it? There are vendors who sell VB packages and claim that their methods can be used on level wheels, but I'm skeptical.

99.9% of they system players aren't going to be able to tell the difference because most of the them don't play for longer than 10 or 15 spins and they view 100 spins as being the long term.  So no, the lost souls like Notto aren't going to know the difference.

The live data from George's shifty site was bi directional data,  and it will wash out a great deal of visible bias.  I'm sure he also cherry picked the best data to fit his site.  If it was single direction the chi squares and graphs would differ sharply from the RNG.  I have single direction data from many different wheels and can demonstrate the differences.  Oddly enough, most of that data was from newer wheels too.
By the way, it's not always the wood expansion and contraction that causes the problems with wheels, it's usually the assembly.  Huxley will sometimes put some out there.   

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Maybe you can answer a question regarding VB; if a wheel is level (no dominant diamonds) is it possible to use VB effectively on it? There are vendors who sell VB packages and claim that their methods can be used on level wheels, but I'm skeptical.

I don't know much about vendor claims.  I don't like answering some questions regarding VB for trade secret reasons, so I'll simply say, Santa Claus is real.


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Re: Testing systems
Apr 03, 02:17 PM 2020
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I've attached 3 spin files just to make it a bit more interesting.

@ Joe...can you please tell me where is spin file number 3 from....thanks
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Re: Testing systems
Apr 03, 02:28 PM 2020
maestro, I generated the spins from the program language I use. It uses an algorithm called mersenne twister, which isn't the best, but it passes most statistical tests of randomness and is popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_Twister
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Re: Testing systems
Apr 03, 02:46 PM 2020
thanks.. :thumbsup:
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