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#### ati

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 11:56 AM 2020
***To make the question less complicated, lets say you play on no zero roulette.

That changes everything and the expected value becomes zero, therefore the bet is not a losing bet.

However if you add the zero, your constant bet of 2,3,13,26,36 is a losing bet. You bet on these same numbers an infinite number of times, the result will be infinite loss.

#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:09 PM 2020
That changes everything and the expected value becomes zero, therefore the bet is not a losing bet.

However if you add the zero, your constant bet of 2,3,13,26,36 is a losing bet. You bet on these same numbers an infinite number of times, the result will be infinite loss.
If this bet is not a losing bet, the next question is,

Is this bet a winning bet ?
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#### ati

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:24 PM 2020
It isn't. It is a break even, or a zero expected value bet.

Not sure where you are going with this. Do you have differential betting on your mind? So if you bet and lose 1 unit on Low, you can pretend that your bet was 12 units on Low and 1 unit on the high street that hit. So you could always say that you won.

#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:29 PM 2020
It isn't. It is a break even, or a zero expected value bet.

Not sure where you are going with this. Do you have differential betting on your mind? So if you bet and lose 1 unit on Low, you can pretend that your bet was 12 units on Low and 1 unit on the high street that hit. So you could always say that you won.
So in a no zero roulette, we can agree

there are no losing betselection, and

there are no winning betselection.

It is very important everyone understands this basic math.
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#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:38 PM 2020
If you get this basic math correct about this no lose no win betselection then we can move forward.

Think of it as a seperate cost for the privilege to place bets.

Assume you make a \$100 bet, for each spin.

You are required to pay a 2.7% betting tax everytime or \$2.70

After paying this 2.7% tax, then you proceed to place your bets.

The very important question is with your favourite betting numbers #2,3,13,26,36

Did this 2.7% tax make your bet win or lose or it did nothing to your bet ?
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#### Clf7

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:41 PM 2020
In this case it did nothing to our bet

#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 12:53 PM 2020
In this case it did nothing to our bet
So what have we learned so far,

1. ZERO has no effect on the outcome of our bet.
(Imagine this zero with unfair payout as a betting tax)

2. Our betselection is neither a winning nor losing bet.

3. Our betselection is no better than the monkey's betselection
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#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:02 PM 2020
With this starting point in the post above, ask yourself........

The long list of wrong assumptions with no basis -
18uniques with no repeats means peaters are due.
Hit twice or thrice last 37spins means they are hotties that likely to hit again.
Sleepers must hit to maintain the long term hit rate.
#2 hit so #1 and #3 are likely to hit.
#1 & #31 hit first in the series so they are more likely to hit instead of later numbers.
#32 hit, since last number to #32 is clockwise, so bet 18number clockwise.
Stitch doz with lines and or street.

And so on and on..........
Do you still believe all this crap found on forums can ever turn a non-winning nor losing bet into a winning bet ?

Do you realise what crap you believe in now ?

There's no magic in that colorful and enchanting list.

Wake up people. You have slept for a very long time.

At the minimum, get the math basics of roulette correct.

Read this thread over and over again until you get this aha moment to properly and fully understand the math of roulette game.

Tell yourself over and over again,

There is no winning nor losing betselection.
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#### Clf7

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:06 PM 2020
Math itself cant be the solution, its impossible to beat the game only based on math, otherwise all the math professors would be millionaire

#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:13 PM 2020
Math itself cant be the solution, its impossible to beat the game only based on math, otherwise all the math professors would be millionaire
I strongly suggest that we do not post our opinions.

This causes friction and arguments that benefit no one.
Zero benefit.

If anyone is interested in this aspect, read the conversation between Joe and Ares on the other thread.

Educate yourself.

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#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:15 PM 2020
Lets get this correct.
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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:30 PM 2020
Seems you had a good laugh with maximizing entropy

#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 01:44 PM 2020
Seems you had a good laugh with maximizing entropy
Herby, the best thing that's happened.

I have to thank Jerome, Firefox and Joe for the math education.
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#### cht

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Sep 15, 07:55 PM 2020
I am certain many of you didn't know the actual math.

I am certain many are surprised what you have just learnt.

I bet many of you still remain skeptical and refuse to accept the facts.

I am certain many of you will continue to make this error of understanding.

Joe or anyone, pls confirm what I have written to be true or not.

Call out the error if there's any. Thank you.

I welcome criticisms.

Remain civil in this discourse.
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#### Elite

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##### Re: Let's get this correct
Yesterday at 04:45 AM
Hi Cht,,,  I want to play 6 numbers continuously,,, double street... After win I need  to change  street,,,  as  per  your knowledge,,,  how many spins  data  is better  to choose  one double  street,,, and what  parameters I can choose to select one double street,,,  a double  street can be  hot,,  or medium hot or  cold,  mean no  hit etc,,,

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