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Started by MoneyT101, Apr 22, 05:13 PM 2022

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#### winkel

do you mean something like this see pic. it is from GUT
There is always a game

I have no idea

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: Blueprint on Apr 27, 03:22 PM 2022
I have no idea

the hg was shared under all that data.  Go find it
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### Blueprint

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 27, 07:21 PM 2022
the hg was shared under all that data.  Go find it

Thatâ€™s a young manâ€™s game.

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: TRD on Apr 29, 04:44 PM 2022
:-\MT101, would you make a clear example (two longer repeat cycles),
of how spin outcomes are assembled in NY,YN,NN,YY (or in short A B C D)?

Iâ€™ll reply here cause this topic is more open that other one is just about that system.

N =no and Y= yes

Itâ€™s really that simple.

5   5â€¦NN
5   1â€¦YN
4   5â€¦NY
1   3â€¦NN
4   2â€¦YN

So you have both regular and derived set.. and just highlight cycles for each.  Whenever a cycle you put yes if no cycle then no

Now only previous numbers can make it yes so as numbers come out the numbers move from each of the 4 combinations

Is it more clear?
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Apr 29, 04:57 PM 2022

5   5â€¦NN
5   1â€¦YN
4   5â€¦NY
1   3â€¦NN
4   2â€¦YN

For instance after 5-5

If 5 repeats that makes derived 1and makes combination YN

So each possible number belongs to one of the 4 groups but based on the current sequence

Also things to look at repeats happen 93% of the time from the last 3 numbers (if we are using double street)

So you might want to keep that in mind while your investigating.  Because that same thing holds for the derived set
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### nottophammer

Quote from: Blueprint on Apr 27, 03:22 PM 2022
I have no idea
Blue print, do you mean you know nothing of GUT topic.
Before I started KTF topic; I solely played for the non-hits.
When moderator Turner enlightened me on GUT; what a wake up.
Repeats were the killer at times.
So, playing on UK bookmakers Fixed Odds Betting Terminals, that are regulated by the gaming commission, category B machines, RNG.
I needed to know averages.
Cut it short, the 1st 19 non-hits have an average of 2 spins to hit. Then up to the 26th have an average of 3 spins. Finally, up to the 30th non-hit the average is 4 spins.
But also, you need to know the maximum to hit. I had a sheet for .20p units; as Â£1 units with max bet of Â£100 would kill you; wipe out.
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

#### sparrowkm

The wheel is not truely random. Truely random does not exist, because the outcomes over time have a 'behavior' and true randow would have zero 'behavior' at all times. Yea the Holy Grail is right in front of yo face. You aren't studying the wheel enough, you don't realize that your job is not to beat the wheel but to beat the board! Want to know more? Na, this message will just probably get flagged by the moderator! The HG is real...ttys!

#### TRD

93% if !! 'three' double streets are used/placed consistently (=3DS), or â‰ˆhalf of the numbers.
But at the worst gaps 3DS requires quite a steep vp, if at any point opting for that.

Using YN+NY as bs, once compiled & summed as position candidates -- this groups combination having the biggest percentage cost-effective hitrate of all (NN,NY,YN,YY) ..

.. mostly include two positions, rarely one & three, rarest none â†' YY gets qualified. What's the percentage with 2DS, as it averages out to that (93% â†' ?%)?

#### TRD

Despite your example, its still not clear to me .. in its entirety. Have you noticed my pm? That woukd spring through & make the comprehension without additional explanations much smoother.

Anyways, correct me where wrong.

Basically, assigning the Y & N is primarily contingent on the defining element (dE) & the repeat cycle itself -- once new dE comes in place, the groups N..Y values (1,2,3,4,5,6.. possibly extended to 7,8,9,10,11 to include all DS .. improving ) are reset -- or no?

on the 2nd spin dE is 5 (=d5).
on the 5th spin d4.

After d4, all the otherwise ds values (1-6,-11) are reset, belonging to no N..Y groups,
& the ds values 4,2 (cardinal, derived) are assessed anew:
4,2 makes the YN .. since 4 is the dE, so that (dE) will always be Y
& two has not shown in the repeat cycle itself, so N
& together thereof YN.

But your NN,NY,YN,YY groupings can include single ds values as well:

at first sight .. both 4 & 2 would be placed in on 5th spin in the YN group,
meanwhile 1356 would pertain to NN (due to the new cycle reset).

then ..
through successive spins the value of 4=Y would not change
till the emergence of the new dE or in short new repeat cycle;
& 1356 could become Y on either (cardinal, ordinal) count
contingent on the newly appeared outcomes.

QUESTIONS:
â€¢  on what/which type of instance there will only be a single value
in any of the NN,NY,YN,YY groups?
â€¢  you've mentioned that some groups/outcomes become by default impossible,
or the overall number of 'some things' necessarily reduced -- go deeper & concise to that,
+ how/why doss that offer an advantage concisely as well.

#### MoneyT101

I saw your pm but havenâ€™t had time to replyâ€¦ Iâ€™ll be available in the late afternoon and Iâ€™ll see if I can answer some of your questions
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

@TRD you have to go back to the image i posted.  I will post below...
It went through a spin by spin visual explanation of where each number was within each group on each spin.  When the regular sequence cycles most of the time the derived sequence hasnt cycled.  So i will use an example starting from spin 3

Spin 1 - 0 5
Spin 2-  0 2
Spin 3-  1 1............here on spin 3 the regular stream cycled and we have YN

So currently if 1 comes out spin 4 it will give us 1 and 1 on the derived.  So that means both will cycle causing YY. If we are not playing for YY we already know we cant play the number 1.  That is the only option for the regular stream because we dont have any more numbers

Now for the derived stream in the current cycle we have 5,2,1...those numbers belong to 4,5,1.  We already know that playing 1 will make us cycle both with YY so its not an option.  The only other option to get NY are the numbers 4,5

so we figured out
YY=1
NY= 45
YN= not possible the only number available creates YY
NN= 236 - all the other missing numbers belong here

so spin 4 result is 5 which gives us Derived position 2 and causes a cycle but its also a unique number for the regular stream so now this is what it looks like

Spin 1 - 0 0
Spin 2-  0 0
Spin 3-  1 0
Spin 4-  5 2

5 on the regular stream is the only thing that can give us YN.  because if we play 1 we get derived 2 and both cycle and the outcome is YY.  So the current 4 combinations are as follow

YY=1
YN=5
NY= not available
NN- 2346 every other number

Now again look at the image below and i went through 13 spins
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: TRD on Apr 30, 08:12 AM 2022

QUESTIONS:
â€¢  on what/which type of instance there will only be a single value
in any of the NN,NY,YN,YY groups?
â€¢  you've mentioned that some groups/outcomes become by default impossible,
or the overall number of 'some things' necessarily reduced -- go deeper & concise to that,
+ how/why doss that offer an advantage concisely as well.

In the image i shared there were a couple of times it was only 1 number for YN or NY.  what causes this are the low derived numbers 123

The reason some groups are by default is because if you plug in all the numbers there arent any options for certain result.  Its all based on the current cycles, where the numbers are positioned and how many numbers are actively available.

we know last 3 have a 93% repeat rate on DS, but even tho this is true if the number will cause YY there isnt a need to play it

so you can use this to remove numbers from play and/or come up with a method only based on these movements

I enjoy playing more mechanical methods and progressions because i find it fun.  So i didn't explore this method in combination with other number sets line DS and street.  Maybe there is a correlation.  I didn't go to deep in that route to be honest. But this idea shared does ok playing one of the groups which is YN and you noticed that as well.  No its not always 1 or 2 numbers but its does ok flatbet and worth looking into.
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### 6th-sense

Lol Mel...I don't think you can explain it any clearer..
I came to this conclusion a long while back...
Depending if you want to go further look at other stuff especially the stats
...using the same methodology of chosen numbers

#### Blueprint

And I predict the number of people who will play this way.... Zero.

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