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Started by Silence, Feb 20, 06:57 AM 2024

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carvigno

Why should IA unravel how to beat the game of roulette if it already assumes that it is a game of luck, which goes in spurts for the player. In favorable streaks you will win and in negative streaks you will lose. It concludes that the only thing we can have control over is our bankroll and how we manage it.

As some of us know, winning at roulette consistently, which is possible, has nothing to do with luck. It does have a lot to do with bankroll management, bet selection and how you manage your bets to maximize them.

Traditional mathematics will not solve how to win at roulette. It is the wrong approach if you want to unravel the behavior of chance. Concepts from Quantum Physics theory will be appropriate to successfully address the issue. Numbers should be seen as particles with their characteristics which allow to form groupings that are easier to observe and handle than the numbers themselves as a unit.

Kimo Li stated in another thread in this forum:
"My advantage is using the Global Pie method".
So that's a good start.

Kimo Li

QuoteNumbers should be seen as particles with their characteristics which allow to form groupings that are easier to observe and handle than the numbers themselves as a unit.

Well said.



Silence

If that statement was true a simple machine learning model would detect it in the first try.
There simply is no pattern in true randomness.
But if you merge your consciousness with the experiment you get different patterns that are there for you and you alone, but it's about more than simple predictability, it is a doorway, a rabbit hole into the matrix.

Just my thoughts ..

number25

Once you input number into a spreadsheet, A pattern will fourm.  Simple as that ... Now this will send you down a rabbit hole.   

carvigno

Quote from: Silence on Mar 02, 10:44 PM 2024There simply is no pattern in true randomness.

Let me disagree.

Chance in roulette generates rhythms and trends with the output of the spins. These rhythms and tendencies are affected by natural laws that govern them.  Laws of time and space we could call them, which in practice generate frequency and sequence for the numbers that come out.
If we manage to create groupings of numbers according to defining characteristics, then by integrating them into an intelligently designed matrix we can track how they occur in both time and space (frequency and sequence).

This sequence of numbers occurred on a Playtech Cassiopeia roulette wheel this afternoon:

24 -24 -6 -9 -14 -19 -2 -9 -27 -35 -14 -13 -2 -8 - - 2

The last 2 broke the rhythm that had been going on for the last 14 spins.
This is an example of the rhythm and trend that roulette generates. It is a matter of recognizing them and taking advantage of them while they last.


number25

Great example, Kimo Li work will make you see things that the world can not believe.  Why? Because we can put random in a box to win! 

Silence

Quote "Concepts from Quantum Physics theory will be appropriate to successfully address the issue. Numbers should be seen as particles with their characteristics which allow to form groupings that are easier to observe and handle than the numbers themselves as a unit."

Even in quantum physics, you can only know certain details about a particle, either you know the position but don't know the momentum of a particle in a particular point in time، or maybe the reverse, you know the momentum but not the position, which leads to using the formula of the wave function that then give you a probability space for all possible states of the particle again at that particular point in time, what's different here is that you are dealing with an existing particle with a probabilistic nature but in roulette there is no fixed entity that moves from one state to another in order to apply quantum physics predictions on, in roulette you are dealing with a mirage of sort, an illusionary entity like the self.

leoncino74

Hi, please can you help me watch this sequence and understand what rhythm was there and what the last two broke, thanks for the help


This sequence of numbers occurred on a Playtech Cassiopeia roulette wheel this afternoon:

24 -24 -6 -9 -14 -19 -2 -9 -27 -35 -14 -13 -2 -8 - - 2

The last 2 broke the rhythm that had been going on for the last 14 spins.
This is an example of the rhythm and trend that roulette generates. It is a matter of recognizing them and taking advantage of them while they last.

Silence

24-24-6  H-H-L
9-14-19  L-L-H
2-9-27   L-L-H
35-14-13 H-L-L
2-8-2.   L-L-L

Ttake

All the above number are same and opposite sector.       
                 
24 24

6 9 14

19 2

9 27
 35

14 13
                 
                 
                   

carvigno

Quote from: leoncino74 on Mar 20, 04:57 AM 2024Hi, please can you help me watch this sequence and understand what rhythm was there and what the last two broke, thanks for the help


This sequence of numbers occurred on a Playtech Cassiopeia roulette wheel this afternoon:

24 -24 -6 -9 -14 -19 -2 -9 -27 -35 -14 -13 -2 -8 - - 2

The last 2 broke the rhythm that had been going on for the last 14 spins.
This is an example of the rhythm and trend that roulette generates. It is a matter of recognizing them and taking advantage of them while they last.


2 2 1 1 2 2 1 1 3 3 2 2 1 1 - -1

carvigno

Quote from: Silence on Mar 20, 12:51 AM 2024Even in quantum physics, you can only know certain details about a particle, either you know the position but don't know the momentum of a particle in a particular point in time، or maybe the reverse, you know the momentum but not the position, which leads to using the formula of the wave function that then give you a probability space for all possible states of the particle again at that particular point in time, what's different here is that you are dealing with an existing particle with a probabilistic nature but in roulette there is no fixed entity that moves from one state to another in order to apply quantum physics predictions on, in roulette you are dealing with a mirage of sort, an illusionary entity like the self.

In a simple way you have perfectly described the behavior of particles in Quantum physics.
Taking advantage of those concepts to which you allude, Kimo Li managed to unite for the game of roulette both concepts referring to the behavior of particles: momentum and position, or frequency and sequence, or time and space, call it as you like. How did he get it? I won't be the one to reveal it.

Using an appropriate tool it is possible to measure the time and space for those particles that in roulette are the numbers that make up the wheel. Hence, the behavior of chance, if we know how, can be decoded with a high success rate in the final result.

holy roller

Have you tried this before?

WAIT (most will not wait)... Bet the group that has not shown up yet.

RRR 1   X   OOO 1   X   LLL 1   X
RBB 2   X   OEE 2   X   LHH 2   X
RRB 3   X   OOE 3   X   LLH 3   X
RBR 4   X   OEO 4   X   LHL 4   X
BBB 5   X   EEE 5      HHH 5   
BRR 6      EOO 6   X   HLL 6   X
BBR 7   X   EEO 7   X   HHL 7   X
BRB 8   X   EOE 8   X   HLH 8   X

holy roller

Roulette can be beaten.

Roulette can be beaten with AI too.
I have used AI to pick a SINGLE number for me... and it has worked.

You have to be patient. You have to also have a simple progression, but most importantly, you have to think outside of the roulette wheel.

When I use AI I do NOT even tell it that it is for roulette. First key right there  ;)

Think outside the wheel. It is hard, but it is also possible  :thumbsup:

I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said...

If you think you, or you think you can't, either way you are right.

So if you think you CAN'T beat roulette. You may be on to something.

I however do not think that way. I do not play to bankrupt a casino. I do not play to make millions.

I only play to WIN... small amounts too. First session today I walked away with $53.00 My first session yesterday, after being down about $100, I walked away with $17.00 profit.

Get in. Get out.

Roulette is NOT a game to play for hours or a million spins like people post on here. If it can win in a million spins it just can't work.

I do not think most people are going to see a million spins in their lifetime. I look for 12 - 15 spins. Then...hopefully I am in profit and I walk.

If it is a loss? I still walk.

Try everything. Read everything. Listen to everyone. Do what you have read, learned and tried, then make something from that information. That is what I have done and I am doing.

It's therapeutic to me.  :D

Silence

I am afraid what you are saying doesn't add up in terms of logic and reason, I believe Kimo Li once suggested that One should not think in terms of rationality, and I find it very difficult to construct an irrational model of thinking that is related to probability distributions.
it simply can't be done, unless it is the hollygrail of course, in which case some from of an irrational ratio may exist in all random distributions, just like Pi and the golden ratio in mathematics.
But even Blaise Pascal couldn't figure it out and he was the inventor of the roulette wheel that we know today, he was trying to invent a motor that runs with no energy source, which is an impossible task, just like beating roulette.

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