PROMISED CONSTANT WINNING BET

[GLC]

Hey Guys,

I have been thinking about this desire we have to beat roulette.

If someone told me that I had to take $1000 to the casino and play any roulette system and double my money or they'd kill my cat.  (I don't have a cat, but TwoCat should be tracking with me.)  If I am only limited to 1 system, which system would you choose?  Forgive my jumping back and forth with my pronouns.

I would choose this system.  I believe F_LAT_INO when he says that he's been playing this system and winning for over 3 years.  I have tested it myself and I am way ahead on my testing.  Alberto has also, Twister has a little, Ophis has a bot that has started playing it and has started out winning.  35 wins at 50 units vs 3 losses at 200 units =+1150 units.  I don't have any other system that has credentials like these.

This system does have losing sessions.  They all do.  It's terribly depressing to have a losing session.  Especially if it comes fairly early after you start betting for real.  We can't lose heart when we have a loss.  I'm not saying we keep pouring money down a rat hole, I'm just saying that psychologically we are depressed after a loss and it can cause us to do illogical things.  That's why we're spending so much time testing, so when we play for real, we are confident that we have a winning system.

I'm writing this more for myself than for you guys because I know that I have trouble staying centered after a loss.  Especially if the loss is 5 times your win target.  But, it's the long haul that's important.  It's the whole forest and not just 1 tree.

Enough said.  I feel better now.  Back to work.

George

[flukey luke]

It will always be the case that a player will have doubts in his mind unless he knows WHY his method wins. I developed a system early in 2006 which I tested and it showed good results.
I played it in casinos throughout the rest of the year and early into 2007. I honestly hardly had a losing session. I just flat bet all the time and I can't believe that anybody could be so lucky as to win every other night like I did. I was like a whirlwind for that whole year and I hardly had time to catch my breathe. When I stopped for a while to get some energy back, it dawned on me that I still did not have an edge over the game. I stopped playing the system and spent the next year developing more of my ideas that I thought would give me an edge.
I am at peace with myself now as far as roulette is concerned, I don't need to study roulette anymore if I don't want to, nor do I need to spend countless hours testing things to convince myself that something works.
So it strikes me that some of you will just continue to test and test into oblivion because psychologically, you are never going to be happy until you know for certain you have a winner. Step back and ask yourself what makes the system you are testing a winner. And that is any system, not this one in particular. If you can't find it, you will never be satisfied and trying to wrap 25 different progressions around something is not going to make it work if it is broken in the first place. I hope no one takes offence at this post because there is non intended but I just want to give some of you some food for thought.

[albertojonas]

3 more fresh sessions
two losses
session 14 = -160
session 15 = -120
session 16 = +264

Running Total = +588

[albertojonas]

Session 17 = +264
session 18 = +254
session 19 = -238

Running Total = 868

[Kattila]

Quote  from Flatino

*If we could find someone/maybe you,or Kattila/to do 8 step
progression/regardles how high/start betting after 5 last uniques---
---miss
bet 6 uniques
---miss
bet 7 uniques
  miss
bet 8
uniques
........WILL NOT GO FURTHER AS HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 7 UNIQUES
IN TESTING THIS FOR LAST 2 YEARS.
THEN MY FRIEND WE WOULD HAVE 100% WINNING BET  *




Ok   FLAT,  I try to make some progressions(for online casinos).
First bet on 10 splits(5 sectors), second 12 splits (6 sectors)...and so on...



                          if lose       if win

1.   0,20 x 10       -2           +1,6

2.   0,50 x 12       -8           +1

3.      3   x 14       -50         +4
...................................................

4.     28   x 16      -498       +6
or
(4.    30   x 16      -530       +10)

The last (on 16 splits) go to high  and maybe no time  to place the
bets .



BUT,

I think this is much better(start from 4 sectors/8 splits)...until 7 sectors/14 spilts).

1.   0,20 x 8        -1,6         +3,6

2.   0,50 x 10      -6,6         +2,4

3.       2  x 12      -30,6       +5,4

4.     10  x 14      -170,6     +9,4


Or  start with twice on 5 sectors/10 splits:


1.   0 ,50 x 10      -5           +4

2.        1  x 10      -15         +3

3.        3  x 12      -51         +3

4.      15  x 14      -261       +9     


Cheers.

[flukey luke]

It will always be the case that a player will have doubts in his mind unless he knows WHY his method wins. I developed a system early in 2006 which I tested and it showed good results.
I played it in casinos throughout the rest of the year and early into 2007. I honestly hardly had a losing session. I just flat bet all the time and I can't believe that anybody could be so lucky as to win every other night like I did. I was like a whirlwind for that whole year and I hardly had time to catch my breathe. When I stopped for a while to get some energy back, it dawned on me that I still did not have an edge over the game. I stopped playing the system and spent the next year developing more of my ideas that I thought would give me an edge.
I am at peace with myself now as far as roulette is concerned, I don't need to study roulette anymore if I don't want to, nor do I need to spend countless hours testing things to convince myself that something works.
So it strikes me that some of you will just continue to test and test into oblivion because psychologically, you are never going to be happy until you know for certain you have a winner. Step back and ask yourself what makes the system you are testing a winner. And that is any system, not this one in particular. If you can't find it, you will never be satisfied and trying to wrap 25 different progressions around something is not going to make it work if it is broken in the first place. I hope no one takes offence at this post because there is non intended but I just want to give some of you some food for thought.

I just wanted to add a bit more to what I said earlier.  To be fair, the testing seems to be going great guns. So I am wondering if anybody has stepped back and asked themself why this appears to work better than the rest. Because like I said before, if you can honestly answer this question, then that is it, you can step of the testing merrygoround.
Flat has mentioned a few times in this post that there IS a reason why this works. Has anybody figured it out yet?

[albertojonas]

Session 20 = +256
session 21 = -72
session 22 = -150

Running total = +902

[albertojonas]

Hey Guys,

I have been thinking about this desire we have to beat roulette.

If someone told me that I had to take $1000 to the casino and play any roulette system and double my money or they'd kill my cat.  (I don't have a cat, but TwoCat should be tracking with me.)  If I am only limited to 1 system, which system would you choose?  Forgive my jumping back and forth with my pronouns.

I would choose this system.  I believe F_LAT_INO when he says that he's been playing this system and winning for over 3 years.  I have tested it myself and I am way ahead on my testing.  Alberto has also, Twister has a little, Ophis has a bot that has started playing it and has started out winning.  35 wins at 50 units vs 3 losses at 200 units =+1150 units.  I don't have any other system that has credentials like these.

This system does have losing sessions.  They all do.  It's terribly depressing to have a losing session.  Especially if it comes fairly early after you start betting for real.  We can't lose heart when we have a loss.  I'm not saying we keep pouring money down a rat hole, I'm just saying that psychologically we are depressed after a loss and it can cause us to do illogical things.  That's why we're spending so much time testing, so when we play for real, we are confident that we have a winning system.

I'm writing this more for myself than for you guys because I know that I have trouble staying centered after a loss.  Especially if the loss is 5 times your win target.  But, it's the long haul that's important.  It's the whole forest and not just 1 tree.

Enough said.  I feel better now.  Back to work.

George

Exactly why I came to test this.
Weather it proves a winner or not it is very steady, and for my tests, as anybody can see
it can make some money.

i have tested three slightly diferent mods

i am sticking with last one
it has more looseing sessions but on the long run 4 or five winning sessions will put us very very far ahead

some ideas come and brainstorm
so we are all tempted to try diferent progressions and lose focus
any mod is properly tested with enough spins or sessions

contagiated by you GLC I am trying to be more methodical
it has given some fruits

i'll keep up


Just to tie up loose ends...

first i tested the original mod:
4 furthest sectors with 10 step progression (8-8-16-16-24-24-32-32-40-40)
if win and not ahead
bet every 4 sector group wich has one sector per dozen and not 3 sectors on same column

this was too hard for me, i still think i have to master it.
the progression was too subjective and if i won the second false trigger, where did i start the progression, and how many "false" triggers explorable 'till ahead???

too many unanswered questions

Came to 2nd Mod:

rigid progression with only the original trigger being allowed
prog: 8-16-32-64-128

one single bet per trigger. If loose go to next trigger and next step
(i confess all this had many variables in my head to be explored, like what about admit one false trigger after a loss, etc)

i thought it was the progression and i changed it

finnally i am testing mod#3 for 12 sessions now

everything is tight stoploss, never more than starting bankroll
and win goal of double BR.

[GLC]

Great job Kattila.

Alberto, Thanks for continuing.  Those losing sessions must be hard to take, but you're still climbing.  And with a maringale, that's impressive. 

I would like to know how those same sessions would have done had you used the fibo 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21 progression.  Back 3 steps on a win.

I was going to test them, but I would need the spins beyond where you lost your martingale.

Keep up the good work.  I like your posted sessions even though I know it takes a lot of your time.

George

[GLC]

I just wanted to add a bit more to what I said earlier.  To be fair, the testing seems to be going great guns. So I am wondering if anybody has stepped back and asked themself why this appears to work better than the rest. Because like I said before, if you can honestly answer this question, then that is it, you can step of the testing merrygoround.
Flat has mentioned a few times in this post that there IS a reason why this works. Has anybody figured it out yet?

FL,

Thanks for your comments.

All constructive criticism is welcome.  Helps keep us grounded.

Did you ever think that you should go back to playing your system that was working for you even though you couldn't say exactly why it worked?

You could share it with us.  Maybe someone can figure it out.

George

[albertojonas]

Great job Kattila.

Alberto, Thanks for continuing.  Those losing sessions must be hard to take, but you're still climbing.  And with a maringale, that's impressive.  

I would like to know how those same sessions would have done had you used the fibo 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21 progression.  Back 3 steps on a win.this would be 432 chips

I was going to test them, but I would need the spins beyond where you lost your martingale.

Keep up the good work.  I like your posted sessions even though I know it takes a lot of your time.

George

that would be awesome if you could test it
the numbers I use are from that german casino, the sessions are properly written, you can go there and take the numbers in a file. (hopefully they are still the same, LoL).
if you want I can attach them here.

the fibbo progression you suggested:

bet 8 8 16 24 40 64 104 168

win 18 18 36 54 90 144 234 378

net +10 +2 +4 -2 -6 -16 -30 -54

i will try it o those lost sessions. same rulles of mod3?

posted session14 a loosing one

Cheers,
Alberto

[F_LAT_INO]

Quote  from F_LAT_INO

*If we could find someone/maybe you,or Kattila/to do 8 step
progression/regardles how high/start betting after 5 last uniques---
---miss
bet 6 uniques
---miss
bet 7 uniques
 miss
bet 8
uniques
........WILL NOT GO FURTHER AS HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 7 UNIQUES
IN TESTING THIS FOR LAST 2 YEARS.
THEN MY FRIEND WE WOULD HAVE 100% WINNING BET  *




Ok   FLAT,  I try to make some progressions(for online casinos).
First bet on 10 splits(5 sectors), second 12 splits (6 sectors)...and so on...



                         if lose       if win

1.   0,20 x 10       -2           +1,6

2.   0,50 x 12       -8           +1

3.      3   x 14       -50         +4
...................................................

4.     28   x 16      -498       +6
or
(4.    30   x 16      -530       +10)

The last (on 16 splits) go to high  and maybe no time  to place the
bets .



BUT,

I think this is much better(start from 4 sectors/8 splits)...until 7 sectors/14 spilts).

1.   0,20 x 8        -1,6         +3,6

2.   0,50 x 10      -6,6         +2,4

3.       2  x 12      -30,6       +5,4

4.     10  x 14      -170,6     +9,4


Or  start with twice on 5 sectors/10 splits:


1.   0 ,50 x 10      -5           +4      THIS IS ONE THAT SUITS MY TESTINGS

2.        1  x 10      -15         +3          ON DUBLINBET,SO FROM TODAY WILL         

3.        3  x 12      -51         +3         BE TESTING WITH THIS.
4.      15  x 14      -261       +9      
                                                     

Cheers.
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                                      Thanks Kattila and George for your help.

[F_LAT_INO]

I just wanted to add a bit more to what I said earlier.  To be fair, the testing seems to be going great guns. So I am wondering if anybody has stepped back and asked themself why this appears to work better than the rest. Because like I said before, if you can honestly answer this question, then that is it, you can step of the testing merrygoround.
Flat has mentioned a few times in this post that there IS a reason why this works. Has anybody figured it out yet?

Very good question,

When I first posted this that's what I have stated.

that's with original rules-----each bet should touch all 3 dozens and columns---
/which I personally apply on my --real money--play on Air ball/
and the reason this is performing well cause the bet is covering all carpet
as far as dozens and columns are concerned.
So would recomm.to all bet thisway/even thought I have mention to George
one could bet this without covering 1 column....that's not good.
So for Alberto and others testing this---COVER ALL 3 DOZ/COL
Few years back have read a post from a very wise man--
--Any bet that touches all dozens and column should be near a
winning formula.Not complete covering but touching.I have seen sense
in this and started looking for such bet.

To Alberto,
You are inpatient my friend.Betting only 8 step progression,you will
naturally have lot of losing sessions.

[F_LAT_INO]

George mate,
I can't login on DB-----I log and see my account
but can't further log into the gambling room
There it shows little green lock.
Could you try and let me know,if any success.

[Twisteruk]

Not complete covering but touching.I have seen sense
in this and started looking for such bet.

Flat, what does touching mean in this context ? Minimal coverage maybe ?


Cheers bud