Kimo's Global Pie revisited

[Lulloz]

If you are a roulette player, you have to know yourself that a system is near to fresh air, is only a way to define a rules for you not for the game.

If i'm wrong, anyone can have a system that win always..

Have you seen a system that never fails ?

There are system that work better but if you follow a system with iron rules at the end it fail.

Prove me i'm wrong

You can ?

[ozark4]

Since you think that it would work best with RNG, I think that you could as well use numbers
from 1 to 36 and take your pie slices from there and have the same results.
What do you think about it.  Any reason why it would be different? 

[Benmaster]

Playing adjacent numbers on the wheel is nothing new.   There have been many systems using this principle.   One that I remember is CPR Roulette, but it used more than six numbers, and had a progression that required a large bankroll.   With my flat betting strategy, you only need to go to the table with 36 units.   Your "Lifetime Bankroll" should be 10 times your buy-in.   This is also similar to what Kimo recommended to me.   He said that if you are playing with $5 units,  you should go to the table with $500 (but only take out $200 at first), and have a $5000 bankroll to play with.   But with my flat betting system, if your units are $5, then your buy in would be $180, and you total bankroll should be $1800. 

As far as mechanical systems go, I believe the ones that focus on wheel sections are among the best and most profitable. 

O.  K.  , now let's get to your recent comments/questions about the number selection.   Like I said before, this method was devised for the sake of simplicity.   You can have much more precise (and also more complicated) methods of number selection.   

Firstly, let me say that my belief is that you should NOT play numbers, or sections that have not shown recently, for the simple reason that you are just begging to find numbers that are going to stay cold, possibly for an extremely long time.   You are doing nothing more than seeking a long losing streak when you play cold numbers! In my experience, the only time you should play cold numbers is when there is a change of dealer.   The new dealer's signature is almost certain to hit those cold numbers.   Track the numbers (or sections), and play the ones that the old dealer never hit -as soon as the new dealer takes over. 

But, now, back to our disscussion.   For the sake of creating a simple, mechanical method that has the possibility of winning, I chose to bet the section that contains the number that shows on the last spin of the sequence, or the sixth spin.   At least that section is "in play".   I also mentioned that you could simply play the global pie section that hit more that once within the last six spins.   That can be very effective, too.   But then, you have more considerations, such as, "How many times should a section hit before I play it?", and "If it has hit more that two or three times within six spins, is the streak now over?" This can become unnecessarily stressful!
My bet selection method is much simpler, with much less to think about, and still pretty effective. 

In all fairness, I will admit that in theory, you could choose ANY six numbers and get similar results.   In theory.  .  .  but I personally, never made as much from just betting a six-numbered line bet randomly. 

For those of you that have read and understand the basic terms in Kimo's books, I will be happy to post a very precise method of ball tracking that I have used in the casinos with great success.   But keep in mind that not every dealer has an easily detectable pattern, and there are many other factors that affect this, such as, "How many people are at the table?", "Does the dealer have a lot of chips to sort between spins?", "Does the dealer deliberately hold the ball before releasing it, or throw the ball very fast and hard?", "Does the wheel have deep pockets, or shallow ones?", "Does the ball seem to have a lot of extra bounce?"

Just play the section that shows on the sixth spin, and quit for a while after losing six spins in a row, and all of that other stuff won't matter as much.   Quite simply, if the dealer's pattern doesn't fit this betting selection, you will automatically be off that table, but if the dealer is throwing a pattern that fits, then you will win a packet!!! For sure, and with minimal risk!

Folks, I hope this doesn't disappoint you, but that is really the best you can hope for with a 100% mechanical system. 

Best Regards to All!
Ben  

[Benmaster]

The Information from Kimo Li is a Tool how to read the wheelbased outcome and how to estimate the Dealer's movement.  There is no "systems" provided whatsoever in his books.

You must all study his books and make your own conclusions on how to take advantage.  There is enough info to gain profit on a regular Basis.

Happy New Year

Exactly right, Compa! I could not have said it better.

[Benmaster]

So in other words, I could choose to start with ANY number from the wheel, and play THAT 6 piece slice of the pie around that number?

Is it choose a number and play the 3numbers around it, 3 each side of it (which would actually equal 7 numbers) or choose a number and take to next 5 numbers from it (on the wheel) Clockwise, Or CounterClockwise from it??

The way I play, chrisbis, it doesn't matter where the number is in that pie slice.  It could be the last number of the six, or the first, or somewhere in the middle.  Let me emphasize that I have tried to keep this method simple, because I like to relax at the table.  However, the ways that you suggest are quite valid, as well.  -Ben

[chrisbis]

You are doing nothing more than seeking a long losing streak when you play cold numbers! In my experience, the only time you should play cold numbers is when there is a change of dealer.  The new dealer's signature is almost certain to hit those cold numbers.  Track the numbers (or sections), and play the ones that the old dealer never hit -as soon as the new dealer takes over.

Makes a lot of sense.

I had said this earlier in the forum, and certain members said it had no effect on the outcome, I always thought it did. cheers Ben.

[Benmaster]

I agree, crisbis, but it may not always work.  Usually, in the casinos that I've played, by the time they change dealers, there are about four or five numbers that the previous dealer did not hit. . . maybe they still won't come out, but they very often do.


By the way, for those of you that have sent me some spins to analize, I will get to them as soon as I have some time this week.

[chrisbis]

Well Ben at least one could say that there's the possibility of the dealer change affecting the next few outcomes.

I know the wheel has no memory.
I know the ball sure has no memory.
And the dealer should not be able to deliberately affect the spin outcome.

But I acknowledge and note Ur experiences at the B & M casino tables.

Cheers.

[Benmaster]

 Hello, here is a PM someone sent me recently that I have decided to share with you, along with my response, of course:

"Ben what RNG do you practice with? if you just play in fun mode playtech RNG or similiar stuff they are created especially for you to win and then go to real mode and lose"
 
   
my response:
Recently, I practiced a little on the BetUS website.  .  .  but one day, I accidentally started playing for real money, when I thought I was playing for free, and more than doubled the amount that I had on deposit with them by the time I realized it! Go figure!

But, mostly, and especially when I "earned" the $350,000, I was playing on the "Hoyle Casino 2008" program that I purchased at an electronics store a couple of years ago (you can only play for fun).   

Currently, I am testing my latest flat betting method on the Hoyle 2008, starting with $5000, and following my exit rule very strictly, I have run it up to $30,200 in just a few days. 

Generally, over the last two years or so, I have NOT found the Hoyle Casino 2008 program very easy to beat.   

Right now, I do not live near any casinos like I used to, but the next time I go to one, I believe I will play this way.   

I was in Las Vegas in Sept.   2010, joining some of my family members for the weekend, and in just a few minutes, I doubled my bankroll at a roulette table, using a Kimo-based strategy, and quit for the rest of the weekend!

I am a FIRM believer in quitting while you're ahead! It is really one of the most important lessons you can learn in gambling.  Actually, many years ago, I took private lessons with a 'Pro' in Vegas, and that is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing I learned.

Please learn to Quit while you're Ahead!!! (and ALWAYS follow your exit rules to limit your losses, assuming you have set some.  haha) Cheers!

[chrisbis]

But, mostly, and especially when I "earned" the $350,000, I was playing on the "Hoyle Casino 2008" program that I purchased at an electronics store a couple of years ago (you can only play for fun).

Is this software still available do U know, and does anyone have a comparison between it and RX produced numbers?

Ben, does it produce a series of numbers,
or just pseudo random at Ur behest?

Sounds good for testing to! 

[Compa]

For those of you that have read and understand the basic terms in Kimo's books, I will be happy to post a very precise method of ball tracking that I have used in the casinos with great success. 



Best Regards to All!
Ben  

Hi Ben. Thanks for posting. Im very interested in your trackingmethod. I look forward to take part of it.

Cheers

[Benmaster]

If you are a roulette player, you have to know yourself that a system is near to fresh air, is only a way to define a rules for you not for the game.

If i'm wrong, anyone can have a system that win always..

Have you seen a system that never fails ?

There are system that work better but if you follow a system with iron rules at the end it fail.

Prove me i'm wrong

You can ?

Thank you for your post, Mr. Lulloz.
Firstly, I would like to quote from one of my professional gambling mentors in Las Vegas.
He said, "There are four things that can happen during a gambling session: 
1) you can win a little. 
2) you can win a lot. 
3) you can lose a little. 
4) you can lose a lot.
Just eliminate the fourth one, and you can make money"

There is only one "iron rule" that will not fail if you follow it: The stop-loss exit rule!!!
Whether you are ahead, or not, if you lose a little, GET OUT, to prevent yourself from losing a lot. Especially when you are ahead!!! Accept small losses when they come, and never let them turn into big ones! NEVER follow a losing streak! End it at the very beginning. This one rule, plus a reasonably good strategy, can make you a winner. That is why my latest flat-betting, 100% mechanical system requires that you stop after losing six spins in a row. You could, of course, stop even sooner, if you are ahead, and you feel the tide turning against you.

Good Luck, my friend!
Ben

[Benmaster]

Is this software still available do you know, and does anyone have a comparison between it and RX produced numbers?

Ben, does it produce a series of numbers,
or just pseudo random at your behest?

Sounds good for testing to! 

Actually, Chris, sometimes I almost felt that the Hoyle Casino 2008 software was analizing my play, and working against me! But, then again playing roulette, electronically, or in a real casino, will often give one that feeling. N'est pas?

[chrisbis]

MMmm
Like having one's own 'cheating', or at best- 'altering of outcome', RNG station in one's living room/study!!

Where does one get one of these software 'friends' ? ?

[XXVV]

Well Ben at least one could say that there's the possibility of the dealer change affecting the next few outcomes.

I know the wheel has no memory.
I know the ball sure has no memory.
And the dealer should not be able to deliberately affect the spin outcome.

But I acknowledge and note your experiences at the B & M casino tables.

Cheers.

Thanks Chris et al for this most interesting thread.

Dealer Signature is a mirage.

Game patterns transcend dealer change always.

The 'wheel' actually does have a memory trace - more correctly "The Game"

It has a life of its own that consists of a lot of energies combining, and yes very occasionally, the Dealer has a contribution to this but merely as an intermediary.

Our perception of the Dealer - friendly/ hostile - good associations/ bad associations - has more impact.

The Life Energy and its manifestation in the outcome of the spin results can be 'tuned into' at times and that is indeed when the exact number can be predicted and taken advantage of for profit.

It is both simple and complex at the same time.

Looking forward to following these posts with great interest. I really like the advice for a NO LOSS approach, and the application with flat bets. Thanks. XXVV