Beating roulette with math..

[aleks06]

Ok. I'm not sure about this, because when we have a hard time we will need to keep the figures as low as possible and end the labby as soon as possible.

But as you say, after the figures have reached 50 for the figures it may be a good point.
The winning streak must come, the question is how long we can go on.

In my opinion,
the "aggressive way" will require a bigger bankroll (1500-2000 units) to compensate the amount of the bets and the drawdown.
On the other hand, If you play the "safe way" with more zero's you will extend the duration of the session but a smaller bankroll (1000units) would be fine.
so It's our decision.

How are you playing it at the moment Fripper ? Do you use more zero's during bad run ?

[Fripper]

Yes the more aggressive the more bankroll is needed. We have to find the balance between them, Belgian said something about this to..

I think I will start to test with extending with more zero's during the bad runs as you do. I like it safer

Until now I have only played "the aggressive way".

[aleks06]

I don't remember If you already have mentioned this in this thread :

From Belgian:

"If one likes he can also use trio's instead of pairs to get 8:1 odds to reduce even more the risks of long losing streaks. Then you can choose for example to divide the losing bets in 4 figures to add to the Labby. The possibilities are endless. You have a method with lots of room for flexibility for the parameters:

- betselection in way's of pairs or trio's to "reduce" the odds
- flexibility of number of imaginary zero's (stretching the Labby)
- flexibility of dividing number of figures to add to the Labby"

What does he mean by "use trio's instead of pairs to get 8:1 odds"

Like this : RRR RRR RRR RRR ... ?

[Fripper]

No, I don't think that I have mentioned it.
Belgian said that he used 87/13 instead of 75/25 (pairs).
I don't know how he play..

Do you think he uses a mini marty with 3 steps?
Like 1,2,4.

And then maybe he deletes 3 zero's if he loses a "trio". No idea really..

[GLC]

I finally cleared it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the hell session.

241 spins

profit : 7 units

lowest point : -872

highest bet : 84 units

Okay guys,

I've been testing session 7 against some of the other betting systems to see if any of them can handle this monster.

First I tested my modified pluscoup where I don't go up until I win 2 times.  Then I stay at that level until I win 2 then go up 1 unit.
I was betting 34 units when I topped -1000 units about 190 spins into the sequence.

Next I tried  Mr. Squire's method where we start betting 1 unit and when we lose at 1 unit we go to 2 units to recover and we stay at 2 units until we recover the 1 then we go to 3 units to recover the 2's and we stay at 3 units until we recover all the 2's, then we go to 4 units etc.  

This one was much better.  Only got up to betting 8 units and ended the session at -92 units.  I never was plus after about the 1st few spins.

Next I tried this same method, but trying to recover 1.5 loses with each win.  I was betting 65 units per bet and was down 2000 + units when I gave up.

I then tried Project 202 and started at 5 units and went up after every 40 spins.  First to 6 then 7,8,10 and 13.  Ended up at -319.

Next I tried simple D'Alembert +1, -1.  Quit a little over half way betting 47 units on the last hand where I went over 1000 units down.

Observations:  I was only 11 bets away from total recovery using Squire's bet method.  The best thing about it was that I was only up to starting to recover my 8 unit losses with 9 unit bets when I ran out of numbers.  This method seems to be very conservative and yet has a good recovery rate.

It obviously isn't as effective on this series as the labby using multiple zeros, but not too far behind it.

One thing I would like to say, is picking 1 even chance to bet on is always very dangerous.  In testing bazillions of spins, I have noticed that bet follow-the-last is much safer. (switch to chops after losing to 3 chops and then as soon as you get 2 colors in a row switch back to follow-the-last.  The sequence that also hurts is RRBRRBRRB etc...  But, I have never had this much difference between wins vs losses as this sequence when betting Even vs Odd.

When betting FTL you don't win as many as Odd won over Even in this series, but you also don't lose as many as if you were betting Even.  Betting Even, you lose 136 times plus 9 zeros=145 times vs winning 96 times.  That's 49 more losses than wins.  If you had been betting FTL, you would have had 125 losses vs 116 wins.  9 more losses than wins.  This can be handled easily by any conservative bet method.

I know that nobody's suggesting that just picking one side or the other is a good way to play even chances, but just in case anyone thinks it doesn't matter.  I think it does.

Food for thought,

George

[Fripper]

Nice to see that you have done some testing George!

Session 7 seems to be very hard, after both yours and aleks06's tests.

I will test it soon and look what I can do about it. It will be a nice challenge.

So, do you think that if we play the last decision it will be better than betting a EC?
I don't know the answer to this, but if it's true we would be making a hell lot of money right now, so it's not that likely.

The whole main purpose with the method is that atleast 65 of one colour (or any even chance) will show in 200 spins.

But maybe I missunderstood you George, if so I'm sorry. It's late

[Fripper]

I finally cleared it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the hell session.

241 spins

profit : 7 units

lowest point : -872

highest bet : 84 units

I cleared it in 213 spins with a profit of 26 units.
Highest bet was 145 units.
Lowest point -567 units.

I used the aggressive way. I will test it again with the strategy to strech the labby with more zero's.
That will get my bets lower but you needed more bankroll.

I think, if we have enough bankroll, we should play with more zero's in the bad runs to keep the bets low, that way we can be under the table limits.

[GLC]

Fripper,

I am saying that from my experience, almost any even chance bet selection method that catches streaks even if some of those streaks are a chop pattern or a doublet pattern, seems to do better keeping the wins and losses closer together.

I know that there are a lot of losses with chops when we are playing FTL, but in my experience, we don't get nearly such large gaps between wins and losses as we do when we just pick the wrong color to bet on and it's tanking big time.  When playing for streaks, you will catch a lot of those losses because you can switch from one color to the other depending on which is streaking.

I have checked this method against many sessions from weisbaden of 300-350 spins and FTL tends to fall between the wins on one color and the losses on the other.  Granted, if you pick the color thats hitting most, you love it, but if not you will hate it as in session 7 above.

It doesn't seem that it would be true and maybe in the long run FTL will have a win loss record similar to session 7.  I know that if you play FTL on session 7 you will win easily and finish your labbies multiple times.

Just my opinion,

George

[aleks06]

Well guys, I have good news and bad news. Let's start with the bad one.


I've just finished the session 8.

First I played It the "safe way" stretching the labby with more zero's to keep the bets low. It crashed.

I got this :

352 spins

ending session at : -1103

lowest point : -1223

highest bet : 86 units

If someone wants to continue this...

The weird thing is that between cell #127 -> #237  I have 78/122 It's better than the worst expectation which is 65/135. So It should end with a +1 unit profit minimum. I'm doing or understanding something wrong I guess. Fripper please help me  

The good news is that I did the session again without the zero's. Here are the results :


261 spins

21 units profit

lowest point : -691

biggest bet : 138

It's better  

Nice one with session 7, I don't know why but the aggressive way is more successful

I can't wait to see how you will handle session 8 Fripper.  


I like your ideas GLC especially about the bet selection. "Follow the last" could be better. It needs some testing. I have to finish the 3 last sessions first

[aleks06]

Session 9

222 spins

+15 units

lowest point : -204

highest bet : 84

[Fripper]

Hi aleks06

I will soon post up session 7 how I played it and after that begin with session 8.

As you noticed, the aggressive way seems to be better. Maybe it is because of we need less wins to end the labby when bets get high.
We do get higher bets but maybe it's better in the end, who knows.

Cheers

[Fripper]

Session 7 of bayes horror sessions.

Did bet even.

125 odd, 80 even.


+6 units in 32 spins, ended first labby
+7 units in 81 spins, ended second labby
+16 units in 161 spins, ended third labby
+26 units in 213 spins, ended forth labby

Highest bet 145 units
Lowest point -567 units

Both rx file and excel file attached. 

[aleks06]

We are getting better results with the aggressive way

[Fripper]

Note: When you have these difficult sessions you can transfer a little more of the figures to another even chance when you have lost 2 series of 4.
Like if you have a total of 48 on high/low.
You can transfer 28 units to your preferable EC instead of the usual 24 (half).

Playing this way will hopefully be easier as you need less wins on the hardest EC to end the labby.
This is what I have been doing..

Session 8 of bayes horror sessions.

Did bet high.

114 low, 66 high

+2 in 23 spins, ended first labby
+5 in 44 spins, ended second labby
+10 in 73 spins, ended third labby
+11 in 124 spins, ended forth labby
+12 in 187 spins, ended fifth labby

Highest bet 148 units
Lowest point -482 units.

RX file and excel file attached.  

[aleks06]

Only -482  You got lucky choosing the EC's ??


Session 10

+19 profit

lowest : -284

highest bet : 80

196 spins

Only 1 session left