Author's System

[iggiv]

This method looks pretty good. and guess what? I think it can be used with flat bets. Aiming for
10% of your bankroll. You come with 10 units u bet till u win 1 unit and get out.

[GLC]

When we bet a 2 step marty we have 3 color combinations that we win on and 1 that we lose on.  When we bet a 3 step marty, we have 7 color combinations that we win on and 1 that we lose on.

My reasoning for waiting until a color change to start betting is  because RBBR is the color sequence that can kill us.  So, if we wait until a color change and we bet for (S)ame, we will be on the right step if the terrible twos show. 

The following is all possibilities not counting zero when we start betting (S)ame.

r rrr  We win our 1st bet (S)
r rrb  We win 1st bet (S)
r rbb  W 1st (S)
r rbr   W 1st (S)
r bbb  Win 3rd bet S O S
r brr   Win 2nd bet S O
r brb   Win 2nd bet S O 
r brb   Lose on all 3 bets

These are all possibilities not counting zero when we start betting (O)pposite.

r rrr   W on 2nd bet  O S
r rrb   W on 3rd bet  O S O
r rbb   L on all 3 bets
r rbr   W on 3rd bet (O) (S) (O)
r bbb  W on 2nd bet (S)
r brr   W on 1st bet (O)
r brb  W on 1st bet (O)
r brb  W on 1st bet (O)

Can you see something that can help increase our odds?

Geo

[GLC]

The problem I see with all these is that the 1 loss loses units equal to the number of wins.  If you are betting a 2 step progression, there are 3 winners and 1 loser.  The 3 wins net +3 and the 1 loss is -3.  The zero kills.
If you are betting a 3 step progression, there are 7 winners for +7 and 1 loser for -7.  Net balance is zero.  The zero's kill you profits.

G

[aleks06]

what about playing this on BV no zero wheel ?

[Tomla021]

its that damn green goblin

[iggiv]

GLC, progressions won't help u with EC, i think. u need to fight for 1 unit flat, sometimes it takes time, but u can usually get it. Well, so far i did. and u can't dream for more than 10%
profit with EC system.

but generally this mehtod is not bad at all. my guess.

[GLC]

Attached is a tracking chart presented by Twocando a while back.  I have been testing it and it seems to be holding up pretty well.

He's tracking if a spin result (R)epeats or (C)hanges.

I've been testing for a while with good results.

He suggests betting for a change after you get 3 of the same in a row.

In other words, RRR now we bet for (C)hange.  Or, CCC now we bet for (R)epeat.

I have been betting 2 times with a 1-2 martingale and a progression.

My progression is a 2 step fibonacci/martingale. 1-2; 2-4; 3-6; 5-10; 8-16; 13-26; 21-42; 34-68; etc...

Since I'm so fond of my money management system "Clean up before Move up".  I am using that method here also.

If you lose at the 1-2 level, you will write 3  1's on your paper.
You will go to level 2.  This is our 2-4 bets to recover the 3  1's we just lost.

Just to be clear, we bet 1 unit for a 3-in-a-row to change and if we lose that bet, we bet 2 units next for it to change.  If it doesn't change, we stop betting on that series of repeats or changes and the next time we have 3-in-a-row of (R) or (C) we bet 2 units that it will change and if it doesn't, we next bet 4 units.

Twocando's chart is very favorable to this method.  I haven't had anywhere near that good a run, but I have been able to pull out a small win of 5 units for 10 sessions.  My highest bets have been 5-10.

I use 1 bankroll for all bets.  I play all three (R/B, O/E and H/L) of the even chance bets at once.  I don't play the half wheel bet for obvious reasons.

If you wanted, you could have a separate bankroll for each e.c.

Test it and I think you'll like it.

George

[GLC]

I wasn't too clear about the last post.  It is a totally different method introduced by Twocando some time ago.  I have had good results with it.  Even better than the author's method, although that could just be the luck of the spins for now.

G

[crownroyal]

I’ve had some success flat betting all three EC’s. This way you don’t get stuck on that RR-BB-RR- killer sequence. Free spin and then start by betting low or high same as last spin and follow that up by betting low or high opposite of last spin. Do the same with even /odd and red/ black. Start over with low/high. End the session at + 2 units or  â€"10 units. 

[GLC]

I’ve had some success flat betting all three EC’s. This way you don’t get stuck on that RR-BB-RR- killer sequence. Free spin and then start by betting low or high same as last spin and follow that up by betting low or high opposite of last spin. Do the same with even /odd and red/ black. Start over with low/high. End the session at + 2 units or  â€"10 units. 

If I understand you, you're betting Same then Opposite on H/L, 2 bets, then you move to even/odd and bet Same then Opposite, 2 bets, then you move to B/R and bet Same then Opposite, 2 bets.

That's 6 bets to bet all three even chances 2 times and then repeat that procedure.  Very clever.  I like it.

Do you have a number of units per spin amount.  On a flat bet, anything over 1 unit for every 10 spins is excellent in my opinion.

GLC

[crownroyal]

If I understand you, you're betting Same then Opposite on H/L, 2 bets, then you move to even/odd and bet Same then Opposite, 2 bets, then you move to B/R and bet Same then Opposite, 2 bets.

That's 6 bets to bet all three even chances 2 times and then repeat that procedure.  Very clever.  I like it.

Do you have a number of units per spin amount.  On a flat bet, anything over 1 unit for every 10 spins is excellent in my opinion.

GLC

Yes, that's correct George and I'm betting 1 unit per spin.

[Tomla021]

I have played something similar and keep separate br for each of the six , egz I leave black as a separate br vs red and wait for changes that way

[GLC]

Crown,  Thanks.

I worded it poorly, but I was wanting to know if you have determined a number of units won per spin.  Just a rough estimate would be appreciated.

Tom,  How are you doing with it?  Winning more than losing?

G

[crownroyal]

Crown,  Thanks.

I worded it poorly, but I was wanting to know if you have determined a number of units won per spin.  Just a rough estimate would be appreciated.

Tom,  How are you doing with it?  Winning more than losing?

G

Hey George,

Sorry for being such a pea brain, but I don’t understand your question. I either win or lose 1 unit on every spin. When playing this strategy at Bet Voyager my bet is 20 cents on every spin. I’ve also been playing those double zero, video roulette machines manufactured by Bally, at the local B&M casino. My bet is $1.00 on every spin.

My goal is to win 2 units on each session. I'll then end the session and start a new one. My stop-loss is -10 units per session.

I’m sure that this strategy will eventually crash and burn, but for now, I’m ahead at both places. If it keeps winning, I’d like to try it on a live wheel.

Hope all is well with you
Crown  

[GLC]

CR,  Thanks for explaining how you play.  My only observation is that you must have a very good hit rate to be able to stay ahead of a 10 unit loss with 2 unit win target.  I will start testing this with you.

Let me explain what I was trying to determine with my question.  And, by the way, it would be almost impossible for you to determine this unless you wrote down all the spins you played and kept track of all the losses vs wins. 

If you were to play a system, for example Flatino's Constant Winning Bet and after 3,000 spins you were up 1,000 units, then your units won per spin would be 0.33 units.  That means that it would take 3 spins to win a unit.  That would be a good rate for a system using a progression. 

For flat betting, I wouldn't expect you to win more than 300 units in 3,000 spins.  That would be 0.10 units per spin or 1 unit every 10 spins.  This would be difficult to determine with your system unless you're keeping really detailed notes which is a lot of work, but also it's a good habit to get into so you can study your sessions.  You never know when you might see something that will help you improve your win rate.

Some of my posts tend to get long, so I'll say more in my next post.

LOL,

G