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donik7777

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Hello Natan!
You are a player with 30 years experience. I wanted to ask you whether you were playing with the system (without progression), which gives the most losses?
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Good  question. I  play with positive  progressions  for inside play and up and pull for  EC.
 
I also set Win goals but not Win limits with Guarantee  and Excesss as well as Plateaus.
 
I also adhere to a strict LOSS LIMIT policy.
 
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I guess you do not understand, if we found a system that loses more often (just a flat rate), we would be victorious.

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Would  you please explain why you want to find a system that loses more often?
 
Please  give a  brief example  what    your expectations are in this  case .
 
All my methods  are based upon the WINNING genre .
 
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donik7777

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 You could play completely the opposite and be a winner.

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Have  you tried   atleast one  yet?  Maybe the  Havana system might be  your solution.
 
But this is just a hint but I will never pass on a losing system per se.
 
 
 
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Natan could not tell you about Havana system?

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Hi Natan!
I also play in the 0 / 00 tape, could you tell me about the winning system you are using?
You always walk away from casino with a win?

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You always must play to win but  your last  bet should be  a loss . Never leave a table  after winning bet.
 
W-W-W-W-W- L  Got it ?
 
 
Nathan Detroit
 
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Two of my  systems  have been posted here : Just look up WASHOO2
 about  2   dozens  and advanced method. They are for the 0/00 wheel only.
 
I  had to post as WASHOO2  as  I encountered some  posting problems as Nathan Detroit.

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The  casino execs love the   " recovery"  players. They are throwing  good  money after bad.
 
 
Nathan Detroit
 
Expert roulette player for  31  years and  in the  " Winners  Circle".


I understand what you mean, I think. 

But the way I look at it is that it's just a way to arrange your losses in a systematic way.


In the final analysis, unless we're flat betting, it's just placing one bet after another.  The wheel doesn't know how we're sorting our losses or deciding how much to bet next.  This is just another way to keep organized.


Anytime we're behind and we keep playing hoping to get ahead, we're just playing "recovery" bets.


Or am I missing something?


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Sorry, but I can't leave this system alone.


Reddwarf, please read the following and tell me if your tests were according to these rules, or very close to them.


For everyone else, I have never completely understood exactly how the author wanted us to play this system until now.  Because of his choppy English and incomplete sentences, I couldn't follow him exactly.  I finally think I see the light and want to pass it on to the forum.  I'm doing so because I haven't seen the system explained completely and in a way that is understandable anywhere.  It is very complicated and I don't think more than a handful of players have taken the time to try to learn the system well enough to give it a serious testing.


I have created a page that contains the basics of the system in what I hope is a more simplified manner than the authors.  It is attached to this post.


A short summary of the system.
We are waiting for 2 in a row at which time we bet 1 unit for a chop.  If it becomes 3 in a row we bet 1 unit for a chop.  If it becomes 4 in a row, we bet 1 unit for a chop, if it becomes 5 in a row, we stop betting until the streak ends.  The 3 units we just lost are distributed into 3 recovery banks.  The 1st unit lost goes to recovery bank 1, the 2nd to recovery bank 2 and the 3rd to recovery bank 3.


Recovery bank 1 is divided into 3 bets and recovery banks 2 and 3 are divided into 2 bets each.  That divides our losses into 7 recovery bets.


On the diagram I attached, you can see when we bet from the recovery banks and each of the 7 bets have an exact formation that triggers a bet.


The system is based on mathematical odds of various formations occurring a calculated number of times on a regular basis and happen often enough to put us into positive territory,  within a limited number of spins.


The author estimates that the system wins 5-10 units every 60 spins on average.  That's a very respectable win rate if it holds up over the long run.


The author suggests setting a win target of 10 units and a stop-loss of 10 units.  But we really end the attack when the units won + the next bet is >= +10.  That means that if our next bet puts us at or over +10 units, we don't make the bet, we end the attack and reset our banks to zero.


Also, if the units lost + our next bet, if lost, will put us at or below -10 units, we don't make that bet, but we end the attack at that point also.


This is somewhat more aggressive than making each attack end when +1 or -10.  Maybe his is better.


He says the game is designed around the probabilities of 250 spins.  So, every 250 spins we should be at least 20 and maybe 40 units ahead.


By using the above targets, we get the following benefits:


1.  It eliminates shaky nerves because we will never have to make large bets.


2.  The calculations from the recovery banks will be minimal and easy to make.


3.  Games will be short, giving us many chances to take breaks to keep a clear head.


4.  By keeping the number of units bet low, we can escalate the size of our units to make the wins very worthwhile.


Having started testing on Non-zero roulette at BetVoyager, I think it should give us a better return.


I will be waiting to answer any questions for those who find this interesting.


I know there should be some questions since I didn't go into detail regarding the recovery bets.


LoL,


GLC

P.S.  Since I am in Arizona, I will be asleep when most of you a waking up so I may not get back with answers for a while.
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I will spend some time explaining the figures on the attachment to above post.

A word of explanation.  OTL means opposite the last spin and FTL means follow the last spin.
Bet OTL Rec bank 1 col 3 means to bet the proper units from recovery bank #1 column 3.
 
Figure #1
 
When you start playing, you wait until you have two colors in a row.  In these examples we will be using Black and Red.
 
So we have 2 blacks.  That's our 1st trigger to bet 1 unit for a change of color.  If it comes BBR we win our 1 unit bet.  Since we have no losses yet, there's nothing to recover from the 1st bank so we wait until we get 2 more colors in a row which is a trigger to bet 1 unit for a change.
 
But, let's say we had 3 units in recovery bank #1.  Since the units are divided into 3 bets, that means we have 3 each 1 unit bets.  Since we have BBR we look at the figure 1 and see that we are suppose to bet 1 unit from bank #1 column 1 for another change.
 
If that bet also wins, we see that we bet 1 unit from bank #1 column 2 for another change.  If that bet also wins, we stop betting and wait for the same color to hit 2 times in a row and start at the top of figure #1 again.
 
That's the ideal scenario.  But what if it doesn't happen that way.  Let's say we get our 1st break which signals a recovery bet from bank #1 column 1 for another change.  Let's say we lose this bet.  According to figure #1, if we lose that bet we go to figure #2 which is the pattern if we lose the 1st recovery bet.
 
But what if we win the 1st recovery bet and lose the next recovery bet?  That means our spins were BBRBB.  This pattern doesn't match any of our figures so we drop to figure #2 and play it as if the 2 chops didn't happen. This is a correction in pattern #1 where I state that if you lose the bet for recovery bank 1 col 2 you return to figure #1.  No!  That should read go to figure #2.  I will correct it and add an attachment to this post.

We don't always bet for the change of our 2 in a row because we may have been sent to figure #1 from figure #5.  We have had 5 colors in a row and we stop betting for a change at this point.  We wait for the change which will put us at the 1st recovery bet of figure #1.
 
If we're sent to figure #1 from figures 2,3 or 4 it means we had a win in those figures and we only have a single color so we must wait until we get 2 in a row.  When we do, we bet 1 unit for the change of color.  If we lose that bet the lost unit goes into bank #1.
 
Okay.  That should give you something to think about.
 
Bye for now.
 
GLC

P.S.  Sorry about the orientation of the picture.  If you open it in Windows photo gallery or some other photo program you can re-orient it.
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