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Hit and Run vs Mathematical Probability

Started by woods101, Apr 15, 08:56 AM 2011

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woods101

Ok.

Here's a place for it. I won't tell you my allegance (but feel free to guess heheh!!) but do hit and run tactics make any difference to overall odds and outcome over a long period of testing?
Some will argue that it does, and some will argue that mathematics proves there is no difference.

I propse this cunundrum:-

I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for no longer that two seconds at a time and then take them out. I do this thirty times.

I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for a whole minute, and then take them out.

On which occassion am I more likely to lose my toesies??

Be warned. This kind of practice, much like roulette, could also cost you an arm and a leg!!

I welcome your comments.

Woods


Twisteruk

Quote from: woods101 on Apr 15, 08:56 AM 2011
Ok.

Here's a place for it. I won't tell you my allegance (but feel free to guess heheh!!) but do hit and run tactics make any difference to overall odds and outcome over a long period of testing?
Some will argue that it does, and some will argue that mathematics proves there is no difference.

I propse this cunundrum:-

I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for no longer that two seconds at a time and then take them out. I do this thirty times.

I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for a whole minute, and then take them out.

On which occassion am I more likely to lose my toesies??

Be warned. This kind of practice, much like roulette, could also cost you an arm and a leg!!

I welcome your comments.

Woods




After the 2 second wiggle how long are they out of the water for ? 30 mins and the sharks may of gone  :twisted:

Its Set In Stone =)

woods101


iceman1313

I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for no longer then two seconds at a time and then take them out. I do this thirty times.
   OR
I am in a boat at sea in shark infested water. I stick my toes in the water and wiggle them for a whole minute, and then take them out
The answer is when you take your foot out and back in thirty times won’t be the real true count. You would have to also count the times your foot hit the water so it is twice that about 30 + 30 
30 times at two seconds and plus 30 every time your foot hit the water that would alert the sharks =60  Mathematical Probability would be 60 only if you continue and not wait days or years or hours or minutes

The iceman1313

Twocando

Never go out on the ocean alone, there are others that can be the bait.

Look at what is happening at the table. No cost to you bank. Play after spin

If you know there are sharks what are you going to do?  Feed them? or kill them?

TCD

PS. Cocktail runners. You understand this?

woods101

Excellent! This thread has become randomly existential already!
So hit and run is discounted as an illusion? A psychological con trick applied to oneself?
The humourous responses so far seem to imply this. So what should we make of those who claim to have records that provide proof that there is validation in hit and run methodology? Should we assume that these people have extremely good luck that has produced extremely improbable results? I know there are more than one here who will quietly believe this not to be true and we are all familiar with their familiars. Will they speak up here? maybe not, for they have argued and proved til they're blue in the face many times before. So what of the maths heads? What do they make of these types? Are they magic beings? What is a number to nature? She knows not of such a thing. There is no pattern to randomness the maths heads will say. A universe born from pure random. So how do they describe the moon around the earth, the earth around the sun? The beat     
of each heart and the 1737 train to Sutton...?  ;D

iceman1313

Hi My friends

I taught for many years Random Numbers aren't Random. Please get over it.Stop thinking the old school ways.

The iceman 1313

atlantis

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 15, 01:42 PM 2011
Hi My friends

I taught for many years Random Numbers aren't Random. Please get over it.Stop thinking the old school ways.

The iceman 1313

How do you mean you taught random numbers are not random?
Who and where did you teach this for the many years you stated?
If they are not random - then what are they?
A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

chrisbis

The moment U stick Ur toe(s) in the water for the first time, U subject them to a shark attack.

U could carry on sticking them in for 30 years at Ur 2 seconds duration, and U are still subject to the same 'odds' of being attacked.

Its the action of putting Ur toe in, that starts the ball rolling, not how many time, how often, how long.

Same occurs with Random.

The Moment we enter 'HER' lair, wur doomed!!!!!

[reveal]link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo&feature=player_detailpage[/reveal]

Johnlegend

Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 15, 09:09 AM 2011

After the 2 second wiggle how long are they out of the water for ? 30 mins and the sharks may of gone  :twisted:


Twister just gave you the ULTIMATE response to your question. MATHS oh what a glorious thing it is. BUT WHAT ON EARTH HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH RANDOM??

The only thing we need to find in this game called ROULETTE is something RANDOM struggles to do efficiently. With MV5 we have it. With PATTERN BREAKER/4 WE HAVE IT.

Mathematicians can't explain why random doesn't like going beyond certain points. They equally think. Things like house edge have too much impact on a players potential success with the game. THE PROBLEM. Their thinking is too one dimensional and rigid, to even begin to see the possibilities methods like THE MATRIX deliver.

I have a maths lecturer playing MV5 and shaking his head, not because he's winning. BUT BECAUSE HE can't FIGURE OUT WHY HE ISNT LOSING. Go figure that out maths devotees. HIT AND RUN *WITH A GOOD METHOD* Destroys roulette.

Keep reading Twisters response to your ? over and over.

woods101

THanks John for your response. Your methods rely on hit and run it seems, so I assume you're an advocate- your results seem testament to the fact. I thought I'd start this thread to provide a place for the dissenters in your method posts but they seem to be very absent at the mo....

iggiv

hit-n-run -----yes, does make a huge difference. just check the same approaches as playing for long periods of time and short periods and long breaks and see the difference

GLC

If hit 'n run really does make a difference, it would make sense to me that playing until you are +1 is the most logical way to play.  That's the ultimate hit 'n run.

If hit 'n run is the way to play, how long does the 'run' have to be?  One spin?  One hundred spins?  One day?  If you say one day, why?  A change of tables?  A change of dealers?

In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

ScoobyDoo

Hi Woods101,

Jumping in and out of a game of roulette doesn't guarantee success. The thing that helps to make it be a winner is one thing and one thing only:


                                                             STRIKE RATE!!!!!

If you can jump in and out of the game with profit, enough times before you have a series loss, you have a winning system. Of course this strike rate needs to hold consistant over a lot of games but strike rate is the determining factor between a winning system and one that fails.

Scooby Doo

albalaha

Well,
      To me, hit and run means either a single spin or quite few spins of roulette betting upon more than 2/3rd numbers and expecting that bad hits will not outdo the earnings into losses. Odds never change, be it one spin or 1000. There is no absolute hit and run strategy, which everybody would like to try. All strategies may fail sooner or later.

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