Cheating

[darrnyf]

well..i have been playing at betvoyager since 10 months...here is what my friend has to say..sorry i wont take his name..he is member of our forum...he has just joined game sys NV as an software technician..here are his words

AVOID betvoyager darry..which people believe as a trusted rng..it is definetely not.....
game wil go random..but once u start winning and he think if its harming  us (casinos)..game wil turn in its favour
here is my experience......i am talking about myself


everything wil go random...but once u start winning consistently...he wil kick your ar*e in such a way that u wil never ever think of playing roulette....i never do martingale...i do very slow progression...i lost 13 sessions in a row with stop loss...i play with 1000 euros bankroll with 1 cent..and used to win 50 to 60 euros a day..playing whole day ..no matter what ever bet i take it turned sleeper..i played group of 13 numbers and it slept for 23 spins...but i lost only 7 euros..now ual guyz think..how slow would be the progression..but even after that i had 13 lossing sessions..
i have been examining this since i started playing...and ..i am sure its not at al random




AVOID betvoyager..which people believe as a trusted rng..it is definetely not.....i wil soon start posting proof..which i wil get through my friend..documented proof just like which victor posted..
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[soggett]

I agree
What ever system I tried always goes well in the beginning but then just starts to fail
I would like get one loss in 300 games, and then in the next 50 games 3 losses 
I don't know but it seems fishhy, very fishhy 

[Bayes]

And the real wheel is EASY to beat? 


For the 1000th time, it's not a question of RNG vs the wheel, it's the way you play. BV does not cheat, period.


Looking forward to seeing your proof.


You can't expect to win consistently using a system which only targets one or two 'events'. They will ALWAYS come around and bite you. Any mindless mechanical method has a limited shelf life.

[jarabo002]

I have seen incredible things in Betvoyager, against me, but also in my favor, for example, place a chip in a number and win, then place it in another and win too, until three times in a row.

[Bayes]

no matter what ever bet i take it turned sleeper..i played group of 13 numbers and it slept for 23 spins...but i lost only 7 euros..now you all guyz think..how slow would be the progression..but even after that i had 13 losing sessions..

13 numbers sleeping for 23 spins gives a z-score of around 3.5. Not common, but it does happen, and I've seen worse (over 4.0).  If you're looking for sleepers you'll find them  - guaranteed. If you're looking for hot numbers you'll also find them, random has everything.

[frost]

I’m with Bayes on this one. This argument is sooo  . whenever anyone decides to invent a new system or play a new system they NEVER take the time to explore the actual limits to which extent their system could go to. You even have a mathematical formula present to help you if you don’t want to simulate the spins. In one breath someone will say “the chances of blah blah blah will happen once every x’000 spins” and then, lord behold, after you’ve been winning for weeks you then lose and it becomes a shock.
I have said time and time again the only way to know for sure if a casino cheats is to run a system on a regular number generator that DOES NOT LOSE. Some say this is impossible if this is true then your system is BOUND TO FAIL at some point. If my proposed idea is not impossible then you know what you have to do in order to validate your claims. Then and only then should this discussion ever be held again.
Thank you.

[maestro]

darrnyf made me laugh, his friend just joined bv and will provide info...so if someone from bv reads  this darnrnyf you friend might get the sack....and about bv i do not think they cheat is all about as what we play wen we play it ...you have to remember static systems they looose..i lost yesterday on bv 200 pounds but do blame me i was drinking not paying attention what was going on and was pushing high value chips when i did not have enough bankroll...any way still got the headache

[darrnyf]

13 numbers sleeping for 23 spins gives a z-score of around 3.5. Not common, but it does happen, and I've seen worse (over 4.0).  If you're looking for sleepers you'll find them  - guaranteed. If you're looking for hot numbers you'll also find them, random has everything.


bayes..but how such co incidence happens again and agaain..its not the question of my numbers going  sleeper...i agree it can..but how it happeens again and again...at that very moment at that very time...its just very very co incidence