A system worth a King's ransom!

[GLC]

This is a system based on playing even chances.  I am working on adapting it to dozens, but don't have it all figured out yet.  But soon.


The bet selection is your favorite one. 
This is the one I'm using right now.


link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/even-chance-tour-de-force/30/  Reply #42


Whatever you do, don't just pick a single side of an even chance and play it exclusively.  such as playing Red every spin.  For some reason, I tend to get some really long streaks of losses doing that and I avoid them with methods that shoot for trends.


The key to this system is the bet progression.


We will be betting until we are +1 on each attack and we never bet more than will put us at +1 if we win.


We will be playing Oscar's Grind with some parameters.


We start out in Level 1 betting 1 unit.  As long as our total is between 0 and -15 units we are in level 1.  In level 1 we will increase our bet size only after winning 2 times.  That's 2 times since our last bet size increase, or of course the first 2 wins.  These 2 wins don't need to be consecutive.  LLWLLLW  This qualifies as time to increase our bet size by 1 unit.  LLLWW  This qualifies also.  In level 1, after a loss, we keep the same bet size.


When we go below -15 we move to level 2.  We are in level 2 from -16 to -35.  In level 2 we increase our bet size by 1 unit after each win.  As with level 1 we keep the same bet size after each loss in level 2.  LLW  This qualifies as a signal to raise our bet size by 1 unit.  Every Win is a signal to increase our bet size by 1.  Remember, if we reach +1, we reset everything.  A very important rule is that once we move to a higher level, we never drop back to lower levels.  We stay at the higher level until we reach +1.


When we go below -35 we move to level 3.  We are in level 3 from -36 to -60 units.  In level 3 we still increase our bet size after each win and we also increase our bet size after 3 losses in a row or after 2 losses in a row 2 times.  So LLL we increase if we get this.  LLWLL  We increase 1 unit after the LLW and we increas another unit after the 2nd LL or after LLWLL.  Also, LLWLWLL  We would increase our bet by 1 unit after the 1st W, after the 2nd W and after the 2nd LL.


When we go below -60 we move to level 4.  We are in level 4 from -61 and lower or is it higher.  Well you get the idea.  In levle 4 we still increase our bet by 1 unit after each win and we also increase our bet size by 1 unit after 2 losses in a row.  If we reach level 4 we continue to play according to level 4 rules until we either reach +1 or reach our stop loss.


I recommend a stop loss of 300 units.  This gives you a reasonable chance to recover if you are in a really bad session.  I have reached +1 with a hit rate as low as 37% wins vs 63% losses.  In this session my largest bet was 40 units and I only go down to -185 units.


Yes, you can have a stop loss of 200 units if you want.  And if you want to really be frugal, a 150 unit bank is acceptable.  I wouldn't recommend less that 150 units.


Remember, you can be betting 40 units and if a win takes you to -8, your next bet is not 41 units, it's 9 units.  That's just enough to reach +1.


There is no win target other than as many +1s as you want.  This is not hit-n-run.  You can play this baby continuously as long as you can stay awake.


You can stop at any point in your game and return tomorrow and pick up as if you never missed a spin.


The nice thing is that you can play this on Baccarat, Pass/Don't Pass in craps, and any even payoff game.  You can play this betting on flipping a coin.


I haven't tested it on blackjack, but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't make a good showing there as well.



Like I said, I'm working on adapting this to dozens, but I don't really know why you'd want to play dozens if you can win playing even chances.  But some people like to play dozens.


Maybe with some help, we can adapt it to double dozens.  I'll need a little help from some of you who are one step ahead of me to figure that one out.


Test it and tell me what you think.


George

[stormyace]

This is a system based on playing even chances.  I am working on adapting it to dozens, but don't have it all figured out yet.  But soon.


The bet selection is your favorite one. 
This is the one I'm using right now.


link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/even-chance-tour-de-force/30/  Reply #42


Whatever you do, don't just pick a single side of an even chance and play it exclusively.  such as playing Red every spin.  For some reason, I tend to get some really long streaks of losses doing that and I avoid them with methods that shoot for trends.


The key to this system is the bet progression.


We will be betting until we are +1 on each attack and we never bet more than will put us at +1 if we win.


We will be playing Oscar's Grind with some parameters.


We start out in Level 1 betting 1 unit.  As long as our total is between 0 and -15 units we are in level 1.  In level 1 we will increase our bet size only after winning 2 times.  That's 2 times since our last bet size increase, or of course the first 2 wins.  These 2 wins don't need to be consecutive.  LLWLLLW  This qualifies as time to increase our bet size by 1 unit.  LLLWW  This qualifies also.  In level 1, after a loss, we keep the same bet size.


When we go below -15 we move to level 2.  We are in level 2 from -16 to -35.  In level 2 we increase our bet size by 1 unit after each win.  As with level 1 we keep the same bet size after each loss in level 2.  LLW  This qualifies as a signal to raise our bet size by 1 unit.  Every Win is a signal to increase our bet size by 1.  Remember, if we reach +1, we reset everything.  A very important rule is that once we move to a higher level, we never drop back to lower levels.  We stay at the higher level until we reach +1.


When we go below -35 we move to level 3.  We are in level 3 from -36 to -60 units.  In level 3 we still increase our bet size after each win and we also increase our bet size after 3 losses in a row or after 2 losses in a row 2 times.  So LLL we increase if we get this.  LLWLL  We increase 1 unit after the LLW and we increas another unit after the 2nd LL or after LLWLL.  Also, LLWLWLL  We would increase our bet by 1 unit after the 1st W, after the 2nd W and after the 2nd LL.


When we go below -60 we move to level 4.  We are in level 4 from -61 and lower or is it higher.  Well you get the idea.  In levle 4 we still increase our bet by 1 unit after each win and we also increase our bet size by 1 unit after 2 losses in a row.  If we reach level 4 we continue to play according to level 4 rules until we either reach +1 or reach our stop-loss.


I recommend a stop-loss of 300 units.  This gives you a reasonable chance to recover if you are in a really bad session.  I have reached +1 with a hit rate as low as 37% wins vs 63% losses.  In this session my largest bet was 40 units and I only go down to -185 units.


Yes, you can have a stop-loss of 200 units if you want.  And if you want to really be frugal, a 150 unit bank is acceptable.  I wouldn't recommend less that 150 units.


Remember, you can be betting 40 units and if a win takes you to -8, your next bet is not 41 units, it's 9 units.  That's just enough to reach +1.


There is no win target other than as many +1s as you want.  This is not hit-n-run.  You can play this baby continuously as long as you can stay awake.


You can stop at any point in your game and return tomorrow and pick up as if you never missed a spin.


The nice thing is that you can play this on Baccarat, Pass/Don't Pass in craps, and any even payoff game.  You can play this betting on flipping a coin.


I haven't tested it on blackjack, but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't make a good showing there as well.



Like I said, I'm working on adapting this to dozens, but I don't really know why you'd want to play dozens if you can win playing even chances.  But some people like to play dozens.


Maybe with some help, we can adapt it to double dozens.  I'll need a little help from some of you who are one step ahead of me to figure that one out.


Test it and tell me what you think.


George

Goerge I have tested various system on baccarat

They go well then the drift gets you even flat betting it is easy to go out 30 or 40 off the beam and also the edge kicks in it seems tp never let you get even or in profit because that last bet on  the progression wont win for some reason and that mainly due to the edge I have seen it in testing and real play many times

So can it handle a drift or standard deviation of 30 or 40 or even 50 without wiping you out


Regards
Rodney

[vladir]

Hi,

Regarding this comment:

Whatever you do, don't just pick a single side of an even chance and play it exclusively.  such as playing Red every spin.  For some reason, I tend to get some really long streaks of losses doing that and I avoid them with methods that shoot for trends.

I have noticed this in dozens too when I was testing something else on the pattern Last Dozen+ Cold Dozen. Altough the number of ocurrences is the same as playing any 2 dozens, the losing streaks are sligthly lower then if you always bet the same. (e.g. betting 2 any dozens, you can have loosing streaks of 14-16) . But when I analyzed 300.000 spins (from betvoyager I guess - y, not real roulette I know...) the maximum that the pattern Last Dozen+Cold Dozen had as loosing streak was 10 consecutive losses (and 10 was only once in 300.000 spins).


Coincidence? I don't know, but it appears I have not been the only one noticing.

[GLC]

Rodney,

This system will lose.  So far it's winning more than losing.

Check out the following test performed a few years ago on VLS

link:://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/ludomeccanica-777bet-tera-tnt/

It's pretty enlightening.

GLC

[vladir]

I'm playing something like this, but I don't always bet te same. Whenever I'm at a new +, I try to decide the best to bet... For example, If I see that there have been a lot of BBBBB RRRRRR BBBBB and I already achieved a plus, maybe I will flat bet this event(follow the last) until I have a lost one or two bets in a row, then I will not continue betting on follow the last, because it will probably change...  I also pay attention to what even chance has hit the most, if the diference is too big, I increase the bet whenever I'm betting that particular EC result with whichever method I choose, and I keep the bet ammount or lower it when the method tells me to bet the EC that has hit the most....

Another important thing here to consider is this. Whichever method is choosen, in theory it will end up winning 48% and loosing 52% of the bets (more or less). When you see that one of the events/patterns that one of the methods covers is falling way behind from this values looking to past history, then it is more probable that it will beggining winning some bets soon to balance things out.

One win of 1 unit covers 1 loss of 1 unit. Betting 2 units covers 2 losses of 1 unit... This is important to consider too


I hope this was not too confusing...

[Robeenhuut]

I'm playing something like this, but I don't always bet te same. Whenever I'm at a new +, I try to decide the best to bet... For example, If I see that there have been a lot of BBBBB RRRRRR BBBBB and I already achieved a plus, maybe I will flat bet this event(follow the last) until I have a lost one or two bets in a row, then I will not continue betting on follow the last, because it will probably change...  I also pay attention to what even chance has hit the most, if the diference is too big, I increase the bet whenever I'm betting that particular EC result with whichever method I choose, and I keep the bet ammount or lower it when the method tells me to bet the EC that has hit the most....

Another important thing here to consider is this. Whichever method is chosen, in theory it will end up winning 48% and losing 52% of the bets (more or less). When you see that one of the events/patterns that one of the methods covers is falling way behind from this values looking to past history, then it is more probable that it will beggining winning some bets soon to balance things out.

One win of 1 unit covers 1 loss of 1 unit. Betting 2 units covers 2 losses of 1 unit... This is important to consider too


I hope this was not too confusing...

Hello

Perfectly clear.  Check my post  Even Chances Up and Downer. I also vary my bets. I had recently a session when i lost 9 times consecutively but managed 2 end up in positive territory.
There is large file attached with betting sequence example. Very similar concept.
So far it works 4 me. But u need a bankroll.

Regards

[GLC]

I have realized that this system is very similar to my system "And you thought you knew about Oscar".


I have posted a new chart on that topic and I will post it on this topic also.


This simplifies the system by a lot.


This new chart is based on tracking the number of losses only.  We increase our bet size by the number of units indicated based solely on the number of losses we have suffered.


As soon as we reach positive bank balance, we reset.




My new chart is much more simple:


1-10 losses  ^1 after each win
11-20 losses  ^2 after each win
21-30 losses  ^3
31-40 losses  ^4
41-50 losses  ^5
51-60 losses  ^6
61-70 losses  ^7
71-80 losses  ^8
81-90 losses  ^9
91-100 losses  ^10


Never increase by more than 10 after a win. 


In recent testing I have never had to increase by more than 5 units after each win before reaching a new high bank.  Because of this, the last half of the chart may be unnecessary.  But, we all know about the session for he**.


You can be more conservative and limit it to a lesser number to increase after a win, say 5 or 6 units max.

Hope this helps some of you.[/size]



G

P.S.  This seems to be a pretty good balance between risk vs reward.  When playing this type of Oscar's grind, all we're looking for is a pocket of high wins vs losses.  A ratio of 3 wins to 1 loss is usually sufficient to recover.

For those who want to keep bet sizes down, you can double the number of losses for each level of the progression chart.  In other words instead of 1-10 increase by 1 you can make it 1-20 increase by 1

1-20 ^1
21-40 ^ 2
41-60 ^ 3
etc...

[GLC]

I'm suggesting that you don't limit the bet that will put you at a new high bank to +1.  Whatever the next bet is that will bring you out of the hole, make the whole bet.  Don't limit it so that you only win +1.

If you happen to have been through hell and back and you're betting 80 units and you only need 5 or 10 units to be out of the hole, then you can limit the next bet to 15 or 20.  This is because if you go into another tailspin starting at 80 unit bets, you could be in for real trouble.

This method is so stable that we don't have to worry too much about limiting our bet sizes when they're under 10 or 15 units and over time the extra units are going to really add up.

Of course, if you want to always play conservatively, then just shoot for no more than +1.  That works also.

G

[GLC]

Just to keep you all updated.


I played one of Bayes' horror sessions and won 11 units.


This session always bets on even which I don't recommend because I seem to get longer losing streaks just betting on one side of an even chance.


My new favorite bet selection is playing for 3-in-a-row.


In the horror session I won 69 bets and lost 114 bets.  That's a 37.7% win percentage.  It's hard to beat that bad a win percentage.


The largest bet was 65 units.
The lowest draw down was -284.


The worst stretch was 66 spins with 17 wins vs 49 losses.  That's a 25.7% win percentage vs a 74.3% loss percentage.


I don't know of any other bet method that can beat those odds.


I do have to reveal that this system would have lost with a different wins vs losses dispersion.  The nemesis of Oscar's Grind is chopiness, WLLWLLLWLLWLLWLWLWLLWLLLWLLLetc...  The best wins vs losses sequences are streaks WWWLLLLLLLLLLLWWLWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWWWLWWWW etc...


Here's the 25.7% win stretch:
- + + - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + - - - - - - - - - - - + - - - + - - + - - + - - - - - + - - - + + + - - + - + - + + + + +


Try playing your favorite bet method on those spins and see how you do.  Even playing those spins using the normal Oscar's grind leaves you at -39 units.


The above line of wins and losses illustrates how a cluster of wins is what we're looking for.  Starting with the 3 wins 14 from the end, we have 10 wins and 4 losses which is good enough to pull us from -284 to +1.


Had the 2 long streaks of losses been scatter out more and the cluster of wins at the end not occurred, the result would have been very different.


As we all know, no system is bulletproof.  With a good bankroll, you can weather bad stretches and come out ahead most of the time.


If we could come out ahead every time, it wouldn't be a gamble, would it?


G

[GLC]

I just paid a King's ransom.


Played another of the horror sessions.


It was very choppy.


Won 70 and lost 44 bets


That's 38.5% wins


This time there was no cluster of wins. 


Stopped at -1017


Largest bet was 77 units





Back to the drawing board.


GLC

[LuckoftheIrish]

Did you mean you won 44 bets and lost 70?

[GLC]

Did you mean you won 44 bets and lost 70?

Yeah, sorry about that.  I was still in shock when I posted that last reply.


Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm not totally trashing the idea. 

I think what I will do is go back to the Tera TNT system and test it some more and see if I think it has more merit than I gave it credit for.


G