Why we have to test a system in 1 mil spins and why hit and run can t work.

[RouletteExplorer]

I thought it is helpfull for all the ppl that doesn t know it to read this.


The point of testing a system in 1.000.000 spins is NOT standing for to see what will happen IF we will play it in 1.000.000 spins !
The point is to see IF after 1.000.000 spins the system can hold on and not be killed by the house edje.
So if it will pass the test (no system ever did that so far) then its worth playing it....now if our life play will be 300.000 spins or just 100 spins IT doesn't REALLY MATTER !

If we will test a system in only 300.000 spins as you suggest, the system can pass those 300.000 and be  a winner... BUT in the next 300.000 spins it can be a BIG LOSER !!!!
  So what if your REAL PLAY will end up like the 300.000 LOSER test?


BUT when we have a system that passed the ultimate test of 1.000.000 spins then this means that there is a really big possibility that you will be able to win in your REAL PLAY.

300.000 spins of succesfull test can be LUCK....wile 1.000.000 spins of succesfull test it CAN NOT be luck ! It surely means that we have something that is overcoming the house edje.
The same thing applyes to the HIT AND RUN too.....
If the system it s not a long run winner (1.000.000 spins) It can t win with Hit and Run also.

thanks.

[nitrix]

1million spins takes about 11 days for my roulette bot betting every 2 seconds. I think more or less like you, I just need keep in mind that after 11 days, I might start losing my bankroll because patterns/streak I didn't plan to appear will hit. I'm gonna run into things I haven't planned and whatnot.

So for the moment, I'm designing a system that can survive 1M spin, and then make my bets go exponential slowly, just enough so after 1M spins I made a good BUNCH of money.

Then I retire, place the money to the bank and live of the interests its earning.

Going past 1M spins would be taking risks the system wasn't planned for.

[crownroyal]

1million spins takes about 11 days for my roulette bot betting every 2 seconds. I think more or less like you, I just need keep in mind that after 11 days, I might start losing my bankroll because patterns/streak I didn't plan to appear will hit. I'm gonna run into things I haven't planned and whatnot.

So for the moment, I'm designing a system that can survive 1M spin, and then make my bets go exponential slowly, just enough so after 1M spins I made a good BUNCH of money.

Then I retire, place the money to the bank and live of the interests its earning.

Going past 1M spins would be taking risks the system wasn't planned for.

Now that's what I call a great plan !!! Hope it all works out for you. I also hope that you'd be willing to share your system with the rest of us after you've retired from roulette and living comfortably off your investments.

[RouletteExplorer]

My friend Nitrix If the system will start losing after the X spins it can not garranty you any Profits....
The 1 mil spins is a reference number....if the system will start losing in any point and can t recover then we are speaking about a NON winning system.

[nitrix]

Mhm. That's what progression does. They let you earn a lot of unit until you lose everything. Well I determined when "everything" is "most likely" for my system, and I'll cross my fingers it doesn't spins 29 times the same thing right at the beginning. When growing your bankroll exponentially, you don't need that many spins. +110 units and I would have made 1'000'000$ from 30$. (at a 10% growth)

Get a calculator,
Type-in 30$ multiplied by (110/100)  (110%, so 10% growth)
It'll become 33.3$. Hit equals again.
It'll turn 36.6$. Hit equals again...
..
.
after hitting it 110 times, you're at 1'000'000.

Of course it probably wont be 10% growth because that would split my entired bankroll in 10, and losing 10 units is highly possible.

But 1% growth.... lets say in 1'000 wins, that must give good results too.
And my system works flawlessly with 100 units...

I know the maths sounds confusing but it's very interesting actually (:
You're keeping me awake thinking!

Mhm, I'll post keep you up to date how well i'm doing x3

[Fripper]

Hi nitrix and nice posts you made. You've done some very interesting posts lately and I have to say that I've also been thinking about exponentially grow my bankroll.

As you say a system that wins a lot before it loses is requiered. With such a system and a good starting bankroll you can start playing and win a lot before you lose.

Ofcourse, we can't know when we lose, right? Such a system has a good chance of doubling your bank because of the exponentially bets we make. Now, if we have doubled our starting bank we actually have two chances to reach our goal, and you get more and more chances the more luck you had the first time. Some of these chances we should be lucky all the way, atleast I would like to think so.

As we know roulette is mathematically impossible to beat but if we exponentially step our bets we can get to our wingoal before we lose or if we just make enough chances for us to proceed and then never play roulette again or retire as nitrix said.

This is an idea that I plan on testing.

[MAX]

Testing a metod over many spins can coase a false sence of winning, because a combination of spins can make a big dent on the bank roll and eventualy losing the bank roll.


Rather take the total of combination playable and test and see where is the weak points are and how  to handle them when you are moving in there direction.

Regards
Max

[RouletteExplorer]

I agree.
But in 1.000.000 spins this bad combination will come....so we are still satching what is happening

[nitrix]

Thanks Fripper, you really understood me on what I'm trying to achieve lately.
I think it's the only thing left I got to try. If a system is bound to make a few units before it loses, then better be making the most of them with a calculated risk.

At least that's my opinion.

[hamsup_sotong]

I agree.
But in 1.000.000 spins this bad combination will come....so we are still satching what is happening

i suppose that the main goal of 1 million spins should not be to profit from that run or run's from hell. But to survive it or rather avoid it.

HOwever would simulating 1,000,000 spins really tell u how to react to the nuances of the system being tested? Would it really be the same as betting 1,000,000 spins in under real life conditions??

I play my system and I'm pretty familiar with it having played for a decent number of spins( no not 1 million spins of course). I know how it normally behaves and i plan my strategy around it and I'm profiting for now ( who knows how long :p)


As for the hit and run part, there's no way of knowing whether running at that point would make a difference or not. However common sense tells u that all losing runs start with a couple of losses in a row( this is especially so for progressive players). Its better to nip the bad run in the bud early and take the loss.

On the flip side however, who's to say that the winning run can't continue?

We all have a long term goal of winning consistently. However this does not mean that we should sacrifice the short term for it. Adding up the short term results would equal your long term results.

Can you honestly guarantee @ 100% that a system that wins for 1,000,000 spins would win for the next 1,000,000.

Rather than continue looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack, i would rather concentrate on my only edge over the casino, Myself!!!!! I choose when to bet, what to bet and how much to bet. This can't be taught by simulating 1,000,000 spins, but actually playing the spins. Theoretical roulette can only take you so far.

I'm sure that the few winners we have amongst the roulette family have one thing in common. They have an arsenal of systems, know each one at the back of their hands, have solid money management, nerves of steel and lastly (i just have to put this in :p no offence guys.) put their money where their mouth is and actually play the game rather than talk about it!!!!!

best of luck my friends!!!! 

cheers
hamsup

[nitrix]

Agreed on that. I played without a system Roulette only once and I felt like I knew what I was doing, why I was placing bets and all the odds behind my play.

I was taking logical decisions instead of betting mechanically. You can adapt yourself to a situation based on experience.

I'd say the brain's even more complex than someone might think. It's indeed the best tool you have to go against the wheel but it's VERY emotionally rough.

As in, VERY rough.
As in, VERY VERY rough.

You need nerves of steel to stay lucid.

[Lady K]

I'd say the brain's even more complex than someone might think. It's indeed the best tool you have to go against the wheel but it's VERY emotionally rough.

As in, VERY rough.
As in, VERY VERY rough.

You need nerves of steel to stay lucid.

Been there, done that...   I actually think I've begun to grow some [censored]. Lol!!!

[F_LAT_INO]

--Experience+PATIENCE+BR+SEVERAL STEADY METHODS THAT ONE SHOULD ADOPT IN THE RIGHT TIME.
AT THE END WE COME TO Experience again,. and ofcourse INDEPENDENCE....don't let anybodys influence.