Let s see if some members can help the others to get out of the dark

[Chrisbis]

I like it Ken.

and I could careless......WHAT'S SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.    Means nothing to me.

Good response. 

After all, your there playing the game at the Cutting Face.

I applaud your attitude Sir.

[speed]

It is one good topic RE.  To potential creators of roulette systems it is  what these systems should be based on if u think they can win in long run because no one wheels is perfect random;

1. MATH (some light progresion with combination with little bias(that have about 80% of  whels today) may be able to work in long run)

2. BIAS ( The problem is that most modern wheels no bias to overcome the house advantage)

3. DS (this is only can work short period of time, because dealers are changing)

4. VB (this only can work on land casinos if whels have tilt(and it is very hard to find because casino see this before u) because online we can't get ball and rotor speed on time.

This fact  only affects the game roulette to overcome house edge. People can't build nothing that gives 100% random results.

Please on this fact u must based your system when u create them.. Other things is GAMBLING FALLACY... I hope some understand me

[Skakus]

I’ve tried a whole bunch of systems and tried hit & run with a lot of them. Time and time again I saw little to no difference in the results except that with hit & run the results were more spread out and took longer to eventuate.

So far only 1 of my systems has shown any promise in regard to a positive hit & run outcome.

The system I designed has a very random bet selection method coupled with a light progression. After a lot of testing I thought it might be suited to hit & run so I studied the graphs of many thousands of spins to see if there was any consistency to the variation within the results.

I am of the opinion that’s the only way to discover if hit & run can be implemented. The deviations and variations within the long term results of your system eventually form semi-reliable waves that might be advantageous, but you will never know if you don’t deeply look for them and try to decipher them.

What happened eventually with my promising hit & run system is that I came up with a hybrid system that uses the parent system as the bank manager, and the bank manager’s results or performance dictate the hybrid systems timing of bets - jumping in and out of action (hit&run).

It actually worked and the hybrid system ALWAYS finished EVERY session with more units that the bank manager. Sometimes a lot more. I was and still am much chuffed with the results of my study as it showed hit & run can be successful with the right combination of elements.

The problem with my particular creation was that there needed to be two running accounts of the current bankrolls, one for the bank manager and one for the hybrid. At the same time the betting procedure needed to be recorded after each spin. So it became a little too impractical to actually play for real. Too much paperwork was required, and some very confusing situations would arise if both sides of the ledgers were not accurately recorded for whatever reason.

May be I didn’t play it long enough to consolidate my study, but it was good to see a positive result for hit & run even if it can’t be used.

P.S.

Forget about botting this one too because I haven’t got 3 months to explain how it works to anyone. Besides, I've moved on to fry bigger fish.   

[RouletteExplorer]

I am happy for you skakus.
Its seems like an unusual method...and unusual is something good in roulette systems because all the usuals are failling.

[Skakus]

I agree with Chrisbis. This has a better chance of winning.

Bet > reset > mix it up > bet > reset > mix it up > bet> etc.

[woods101]

Let's take this literally re: hit and run.
Been hit by a 'hit and run'. Went over the bonnet in 3 lanes of rush hour traffic. Twisted ankle. Sore knee. Got up and got the bus home.
Was a motorcycle courier in London on and off for over 11 years. In total I worked for about 7 of those eleven years doing other things in between (hit and run)
For those seven years I worked about 240 days a year, taking off weekends and holidays (5 day periods of hit and run).
During those days I would be on the bike for about an avg of 9 hours a day, interspersed with a couple of hours off the bike-waiting for a collection, lunch, coffee, fag -(the european, not the american!) On the bike for about 1-3 hour stints (hit and run). 

After work I'd go home and sleep, eat chill for 12/13 hours a day which would break my time spent on the bike (hit and run).

Only ever hospitalised once.


For arguments sake, lets round it down to say 8.5 hours a day,
240 days a year.
For 7 years.

14280 hours riding 500/550 cc m/c in central London or on a motorway.

14280 hours = 1.6 years.

So...Are you telling me that hypothetically if we took tiredness, and physical need to stop i.e eat, toilet etc, out of the equation, that I would be able to attempt to ride a m/c 24hrs a day non stop for over 1 and a half years solid in daytime London traffic, and when I had an accident, got up and continued to ride for 24hrs a day for the remaining period of days left, that in all that time i would only have had one accident that could hospitalise me?

Of course you are!

And I know that you know what (in your head) that makes me.....







One hell of a lucky son of a b..t...d.

Personally I beg to differ.

Woods.

[superman]

Only hospitalised once.

LOL Woods, funny way to look at it.

So...Are you telling me that hypothetically if we took tiredness, and physical need to stop i.e eat, toilet etc, out of the equation, that I would be able to attempt to ride a m/c 24hrs a day non stop for over 1 and a half years solid in daytime London traffic, and when I had an accident, got up and continued to ride for 24hrs a day for the remaining period of days left, that in all that time i would only have had one accident that could hospitalise me

No but if you had ridden for 24 hours a day you could have saved a lot of time, petrol, tires, fags etc waiting for the random hospitalisation period that was coming sooner or later.

[woods101]

Sure- I could of worked as an accountant and got run over by a bus on my lunchbreak!! 

[superman]

That's why continual play shows us what will eventually happen, as many have said before, its a debate that will never be over, if it works for you, up to now, go with it, heck, martingale worked for everyone at some stage, until the bus came anyway.

[woods101]

...as many have said before, its a debate that will never be over, if it works for you, up to now, go with it, heck, martingale worked for everyone at some stage, until the bus came anyway.

I agree. Though sometimes the bus never comes.
I suppose my point is what is sometimes probable (getting knocked off a m/c) just doesn't happen, and what is fantastically unlikely (getting run over by a bus) does. What I find lovely, comforting and amusing all in one, is that all of us here accept a probability (that we can and will lose playing roulette long term) but we route for the improbable (that we may win in the long term). Why? Probably because we all have personal experiences of the probable not happening and the improbable (or almost impossible!) happening at certain times in our lives.
If you've been 'getting away with it for years' either with hit and run or gamblers fallacy or whatever, then maybe you've experienced a natural imbalance of improbable events.
As my old man always says- " I don't believe in miracles - I rely on them!"

......BUT.... my m/c analogy is enough of an experience to validate for me the value of not taking a risk all the time continuously.

When I take a look at quantum physics and uncertainty principle as an example, then mathematics means nothing.

What you believe means everything.

Now spin me heads a 100 times in a row will you? 

Woods

[iggiv]

Woods i sympathize u about hit-run accident.

[stormyace]

I was thinknig bout this from hit and run point of view

when we just gambled for fun most of the time well almost all of the time we would be up at some stage till we lost it back am correct here at  least in my experiance i am

Can we take hit and run method  from that point of view

Of course there is always that time when you walk into just to gamble and you are never up

[iggiv]

that's exactly what's goin on, Stormy. by using hit-n-run i mean of course not only hit-n-run, i mean using all the usual rules like money management, quit while u r ahead, don't play for too long time and so on. it is not only about hit-n-run,  i wonder why people pick on this term so much. why they don't protest implying stop-loss, win goal limit, bankroll requirement etc. why they are so upset about
the statement that short sessions are safer than long ones.

[woods101]

Thanks for your thoughts Iggiv. It's all learning and a long time ago now. I agree - what is hit and run but a short session that is stopped when you are up. If 70% of people that enter a casino are in profit at some stage then can we not be Mr. Average and leave when we are up also? (or are they all Blackjack players?)
We would/should lose only 30% of the time hence as Iggiv says a good stop/loss point prevents further losses.
Money management is key coupled with a big BR, a relatively playable system and a good stop/loss mechanism, i.e. know when to walk out, i.e hit and run.
I favour repeaters and some times you will get repeater 'droughts' for up to 300-350 spins a time (a days worth of spins). Most systems prob have periods where the conditions aren't favourable at all. In these conditions to play on repeatedly is to lose all your BR.

Walk out and come back another day when conditions (luck for want of a better word) are/is stronger saves my BR.
Playing a system based around mini-games alows you to test the water.

With all of this in mind, to dismiss Hit and Run is simply non-sensical, maths or no maths, but not only that- It makes exceptionally bad advice to a noobie to say to them "walk into a casino with your BR and play continuously- It makes no difference!"

At what cost such reckless advice?

Here's a torch- now stick some batteries in it and turn it on.

Woods

[iggiv]

thanx Woods. u are able to express things better than me. totally agree.