Let s see if some members can help the others to get out of the dark

[woods101]

Hi Speed,

The other thing worth noting which is being debated elsewhere is what exactly is hit and run?
Is it merely employment of stop/loss/profit point etc.?

This is something that not everyone can agree on.

Woods

[speed]

ok woods101, what is your winning teory or u think roulette cant be defeated? U must have some teory, it is important that all present their theories. More teories make more systems and with much systems we have better chances to find winning one 

[frost]

just been reading through the thread.


i dont play hit and run. im with RE on the view that to get a true look of your system you must play continuously however i do see how some of us can see the advantage of hit and run although this is purely down to luck.


if you play continuously for 1000 spins you may encounter your bad run after say 300 spins. if you play 10x100 spins your are still playing the same amount of spins however just because you stop playing it doesn't mean the game stops. that bad run you may have met in your 3rd game can now possibly be avoided because the situation arises when you are no longer at the table. the next time you do play the situation has gone.


this however doesn't not make your system unbeatable. you could enter a game at the exact moment the bad spins occur. so its purely down to just being lucky.

[superman]

you could enter a game at the exact moment the bad spins occur. so its purely down to just being lucky.

Spot on, but the hit n run guys don't seem to agree with this.

Watch out for that bus lol

[frost]

hit and run to me is a session predetermined by spins played or games played not profit achieved. spins played or spins played per game must be short though...

[speed]

Hi Speed,

The other thing worth noting which is being debated elsewhere is what exactly is hit and run?

For me hit and run is Gambling Fallacy. Maybe here is some people who win on short term on this GF, and they think that work.. In long run  there is no diference between this and constant play..WHY? I think RE and now frost and some others have a good explanation.

[Bayes]

Hi Woods,

I see where you're coming from with regard to the inconsistency, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. 

The issue is confused by lack of agreement as to what hit & run means, but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't involve stop losses/win targets or bet selections, only the belief that keeping sessions short SOMEHOW means you will dodge the bullets.

Let's eliminate your charge of inconsistency by supposing that we're playing a game with no negative expectation. For example, suppose a VB player were to play hit & run style, does that mean he/she will do better? I think you'd agree that it's irrelevant. The Advantage player looks for conditions which are advantageous, and only then makes his move. Keeping sessions short doesn't enter the mind of this player; if the right conditions persist, he can play all day in the knowledge that he'll win. On the other hand, if the conditions are NOT right, then he won't play at all.

So if we can agree on that, doesn't it show that hit & run (as I've defined it) makes no difference to your results? and this is the case whether or not the game has a negative or positive expectation.

[frost]

but doesn't 'hit & run' imply speed, quickness? sitting around all day at a table wouldn't give you this

[woods101]

Hi Woods,

I see where you're coming from with regard to the inconsistency, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. 

The issue is confused by lack of agreement as to what hit & run means, but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't involve stop losses/win targets or bet selections, only the belief that keeping sessions short SOMEHOW means you will dodge the bullets.

Let's eliminate your charge of inconsistency by supposing that we're playing a game with no negative expectation. For example, suppose a VB player were to play hit & run style, does that mean he/she will do better? I think you'd agree that it's irrelevant. The Advantage player looks for conditions which are advantageous, and only then makes his move. Keeping sessions short doesn't enter the mind of this player; if the right conditions persist, he can play all day in the knowledge that he'll win. On the other hand, if the conditions are NOT right, then he won't play at all.

So if we can agree on that, doesn't it show that hit & run (as I've defined it) makes no difference to your results? and this is the case whether or not the game has a negative or positive expectation.

I agree Bayes. In this instance it makes no difference except when you decide to pull out (fnar fnar!). This is the deciding factor firstly, and secondly that decides when you start  playing again (in my mind). Yes what I play is tied to stop/loss. Is this also hit and run? It depends on who you talk to but this is not what I feel this topic is about.

We have a provocative title that has been created to inspire debate. Moving the thread back to the original debate it is contadictory, nay hypocritical, nay non-sensical, nay non-mathematical to say hit and run doesn't work (as the title does) and lets beat a million spins with a 'mathematical' system (as the title does).
If you're gonna knock the theory of hit and run then you can't realistically say lets beat roulette with a mathematical system at the same time and fail to see how wrong such a statement is, surely?

Now if we apply the 'mathematical' argument to hit and run theory then we should apply the same mathematical argument to all mathematical systems as well no?
What do we end up with after six months of that?
Probably another forum of negative comments and arguments and a (maths or VB) majority saying that all systems fail, blah blah blah, i.e. not a very nice forum, full of not very nice people.
Why are we all here instead of somewhere else? Because we like it.
Lets keep it that way. if someone plays differently to you, let them. If it works for them then great yeh? Even if you don't see it.

When does an advocate of h/r theory ever start having a go at another players way of beating roulette? But how often is it the other way around?

Increase the peace, let the fighting cease. Spread love brothers and sisters.

Woods.

[woods101]

but doesn't 'hit & run' imply speed, quickness? sitting around all day at a table wouldn't give you this

I don't know is the simple answer, and if you're asking the question then neither do you.
This is the point - what are we debating here?

[hamsup_sotong]

i was under the impression that hit and run in a nutshell is more like hitting more when you're "lucky"
and running away when you are "unlucky".


hamsup

[woods101]

Spot on, but the hit n run guys don't seem to agree with this.

Watch out for that bus LoL

Randomness contains cycles that can be recognised. Your decision to play or not play is based on these cycles. Though I guess this does not qualify as hit and run. So really I'm defending a method of play I don't even employ! 

So far it's Woods 1, Buses 0.

[woods101]

i was under the impression that hit and run in a nutshell is more like hitting more when you're "lucky"
and running away when you are "unlucky".


hamsup

Mine also. In a nutshell.

[warrior]

You can hit a bad run from the start ,and you will lose even your underwear .

[woods101]

Stop playing if the gods aren't smiling then.