What is this? (Tipping Service)

[WannaWin]

What is this?

I am reading wrong or Mr. Victor is selling his system now for 1 USD?

Please Mr. Victor do not.

Even if the price is cheap is selling a system and I oppose any sale of roulette systems.

WannaWin

[VLS]

WannaWin, I am not selling a roulette system, but renting an online tool that receives numerical input and chooses from an internal array of events/triggers the ones it deems more suitable at the moment.

This is a SERVICE, not a PDF system.

It is like someone selling a roulette bot that executes a system in a casino.
Is he a system seller if he does not give a system away but a program? or is he a roulette program seller?

A roulette service seller perhaps? How can we define this category?

I hope at the minimum you can make a separation and not put all into the same bag.

Regards,
Victor

[Gizmotron]

Even if the price is cheap is selling a system and I oppose any sale of roulette systems.

WannaWin

That's almost comical. We must protect the sanctity and purity of the theoretical.

I do understand the cause of nearly everyone being justifiably skeptical though.

[WannaWin]

How can we define this category?

Also a scammer seller.

I repeat, if it works it should not be sold, but used secretly for personal benefit.

When talking methods of roulette: if it is sold = does not work.

WannaWin

[WannaWin]

That's almost comical. We must protect the sanctity and purity of the theoretical.

I do understand the cause of nearly everyone being justifiably skeptical though.

Perhaps you have not been cheated of your money for a system vendor, I do.

Your opinion about the sale of a roulette system would be very different from being the client and not the seller.

WannaWin

[WannaWin]

Mr. Victor,

If this is to cover the costs of the website, it is preferable to put a paypal donation button. Even many of us would be willing to give a small monthly contribution for your time devoted to the affairs of the forum, but I can not stand that you are a seller, by getting in the same line as system vendors and their scams.

It was first Mr. Steve and now you. Apparently now roulette forum administrator going to be a synonym for system vendor.

What a shame.

[Lulloz]

I think Victor is NOT a scammer.  .  . 

I have tryed alpha relase at rng roulette and (incomplete and without all triggers) win more than lose. 

Victor gives a free try out, you can play 10 time with 1,50x10= 15 Euro at 0,01 stake and decide yourselt if the system is working or not. 

Where is the scam ?

[Bayes]

WannaWin,

I'm not of the opinion that ALL system sellers should be tarred with the same brush.

I repeat, if it works it should not be sold, but used secretly for personal benefit.

Why? isn't that up to the designer of the system?

When talking methods of roulette: if it is sold = does not work.

I agree that it doesn't really make much sense for anyone who claims to have a winning method to ONLY sell it and not play it themselves,  but the seller MAY have valid reasons for not playing it. Some of those offered may stretch credibility, but I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head:

* He doesn't have access to casinos (less credible these days).
* He suffers from ill-health and can't get out much (again, not so valid in this internet age).
* He likes to gamble, but his spouse doesn't like him doing it.
* The system is very boring to play and/or is very time consuming.
* He doesn't like gambling, but he likes creating systems.

Also, you ignore the fact that in some cases, the seller may believe that his system is a long-term winner, when more testing may reveal that it isn't, in which case, you're paying the price for your own and the seller's ignorance.  Don't forget that to qualify as a scam the seller must have intent to deceive.

With regard to selling on this forum, as long as there are reasonable safeguards put in place, and people know exactly what they're paying for, I don't see a problem with it.

[Fripper]

Agree with you Bayes. Couldn't have said it better myself.

It doesn't have to be used only personal benefit. Some of us like to share things to friends and so on and that my friend can you never take away. So say what you want, but I don't think that this is a scam.

[furple]

 Plant seed money by giving and you WILL receive tenfold of what was given.

The more you give... the more you shall receive....

[furple]

I think it is awesome what Victor is doing. At the end of the day the majority of people on here are wanting a way to earn some extra cash by playing  roulette. All Victor is doing... is offering a tipping service that could give some of us  that aren't that good with inventing their own methods of playing ...a chance to maybe create a little extra income.
Victor is not proclaiming to have some HG. $1 a session for a service is nothing in my book...and
offering all of us to trial it for free. So a win win situation IMO.

[Jordan]

Victor is the most experienced person in Roulette...
 He knows very good that a Winner would never been sold or rented...
So he just want to make some steady cash...I can t blame him...his price is very small.
  All these years he is involved in forums and he has spent a lot of money for the gamblers to post to eatch other ... so now its the time for him collect some of them back...

[VLS]

Thanks for your support guys.

I just say "Time places everyone in the place they should be", hence, while we are starting in some uncertainty right now, in some (not too long) timeframe people will be able to have a clear picture of what to expect with the service.

The word of both a good and bad service experience "spread like fire", so there is absolutely nothing to hide. Users communicate among each other freely in this information age.

I don't think I can be blamed of trying to depart people out of the money first and then just slam them a picture with "you've been scammed", what you have obtained is nothing like advertised.

I'm trying to make every effort to make the tool as stable as possible, taking it slow with the addition of procedures to the program's codebase and I won't bill a cent unless the application in the server is proven a stable one, so I know I have done as much as possible to guarantee an error-free experience when using it.

I'm making the RouletteBot.cc clicker free for the taking as to take the human errors away when placing the bets in the casino window, this way people don't lose units due to the unavoidable manual misplacements, at times at key moments, taking away wins which may define a session.

And recently, I have thought of not only giving "10 free sessions" to the interested parties, but I'm willing to leave an open backdoor with a shorter timeout and an open documented API for people to test their personal actuals by using 3rd-party testers. Bayes has already confirmed the willingness to participate on it (he knows to program in the Euphoria programming language for windows).

What I want is people to test, compare and contrast their results and then make an informed decision about paying or not for the service.

This is my post on the open 3rd-party testing:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulettetips-cc/an-idea-for-3rd-party-automated-testing/

Regards,
Victor

[WannaWin]

Ok Mr. Victor. But I am still quite disappointed that you have become a seller.

Let this case be rest.

Greetings.
WannaWin

[VLS]

Ok, no beef.

Moved to dissenting area.

Victor