My final answer is!!!

GLC · Oct 19, 03:33 PM 2011

There are no roulette systems that involve a mechanical bet selection with a flat bet or a progression that you can sit down at a roulette table every day for a few hours and beat the game on a consistent basis!!!!!

I'm not saying that some lucky person with a good working knowledge of the game can't use a mechanical system and by making 'in the moment' adjustments in how he plays, using good money management and observing all the fundamental rules of gambling be able to win more than he loses in the long run. But, are you one of those people?

For everyone who is exploring roulette with the idea of finding the magic system where you can sit down at a table or on the internet, buy in for a few hundred chips, start betting based on a pre-determined bet selection method and a pre-determined betting progression (or a flatbet) and expect to win almost every time, "Forget about it!"

If you intend to win money over the long run at roulette, you are going to have to know the game thoroughly, learn a particular system or two inside and out, have plenty of money that you can lose without a care in the world, then play as if every chip is the most important thing in the world, and live the most disciplined life in and out of the casino that you can imagine and have an umbrella of luck over everything and then you may be have a chance to come out ahead in the long run. It's not a guarantee, but a possibility.

In other words, if you can win at this game, it will be a very hard "JOB". Maybe harder than most of us want to work. It will take a master degree in roulette which means at least 5 years of intense study. Only a small percentage graduate.

I know that this is a pessimistic point of view but in my heart of hearts, it's what I believe. Of the hundreds of members and guests of this and other forums, only 1 in a hundred have the inner drive necessary to beat the game. For the rest, it takes too much work. The game is too boring at small units to keep our interest and we don't have the confidence to bet big enough stakes to make the game really interesting. And if we do bet large enough stakes to make it interesting, it's probably money we can't afford to lose which is breaking one of the most fundamental rules of gambling.

It's been around for hundreds of years and some of the finest minds in the world have tried to conquer it and it's still in the casinos. We only read or hear about a small hand full of people over the years who have won enough from roulette to be worth talking about.

I am asking everyone who posts on this forum to state their honest opinion regarding this topic. No BS please. Give it to us straight.

LOL, you'll need it!

GLC

Proofreaders2000 · Oct 19, 08:25 PM 2011

It was also believed that man couldn't fly or ever make it to the moon. In theory bumblebees aren't supposed to travel either, yet all three are or have become possible. Why can't there be a Grail for Roulette?

kingsroulette · Oct 19, 11:50 PM 2011

Well,
In my humble opinion, there can be some mechanical systems which can keep winning except a few losses and hence can win in overall sessions. Recently, I was chatting with an ex-member of this forum and he showed me that if we reverse engineer this game, i.e. play as casino is virtually playing against its players then only we can always keep ahead of the casino. Normally, with or without progressions, it is impossible to beat this game and it can always take away more than what it has given to you so far. He further said that regular progressions and methods are illusionary and we need to think differently, if we want to Win more and lose less.

MrJ · Oct 20, 12:24 AM 2011

"learn a particular system or two inside and out" >>> BINGO.

Ken

VLS · Oct 20, 01:30 AM 2011

Quote from: kingsroulette on Oct 19, 11:50 PM 2011
[...]to Win more and lose less.

Ah!

Say hello to Al

kingsroulette · Oct 20, 02:20 AM 2011

Yes, talking about albalaha. He told me how to reverse engineer the thinking of a gambler to a casino. Regular progressions and methods are bound to lose sooner or later.

F_LAT_INO · Oct 20, 06:02 AM 2011

If you intend to win money over the long run at roulette, you are going to have to know the game thoroughly, learn a particular system or two inside and out, have plenty of money that you can lose without a care in the world, then play as if every chip is the most important thing in the world, and live the most disciplined life in and out of the casino that you can imagine and have an umbrella of luck over everything and then you may be have a chance to come out ahead in the long run. It's not a guarantee, but a possibility.

In other words, if you can win at this game, it will be a very hard "JOB". Maybe harder than most of us want to work. It will take a master degree in roulette which means at least 5 years of intense study. Only a small percentage graduate.

GLC

---Right on the nail my friend,George.And to add;Don't play unless it is only job you are doing.

warrior · Oct 20, 07:06 AM 2011

Quote from: kingsroulette on Oct 20, 02:20 AM 2011
Yes, talking about albalaha. He told me how to reverse engineer the thinking of a gambler to a casino. Regular progressions and methods are bound to lose sooner or later.

And how do you do that?

Robeenhuut · Oct 20, 08:21 AM 2011

Quote from: warrior on Oct 20, 07:06 AM 2011
And how do you do that?

Hello

Its not a rocket science guys please. You need of course a lot of research before you start
to invest your money. There are some systems out there that produce good winning ratio. If you win approximately 4 times out of 5 and your win target is about the same as your stop-loss you are ahead and you make money steadily. You dont need huge bankroll too contrary to popular beliefs. Keep it simple then and be disciplined and you will be successful

And of course little bit of patience wont hurt.

Regards

warrior · Oct 20, 11:04 AM 2011

IN THEORY ITS EASY.

Bayes · Oct 20, 11:13 AM 2011

I wouldn't say that. Actually, in THEORY, it's impossible. In practice, it's not easy, but I believe, quite possible (based on actual experience).

"learn a particular system or two inside out" - agreed.

Robeenhuut · Oct 20, 11:24 AM 2011

Quote from: warrior on Oct 20, 11:04 AM 2011
IN THEORY ITS EASY.

Hello

I am empirical approach guy and i never play (at least for normal stakes) anything that have not been tested thoroughly before. I mean live spins only by that.
There are few system out there including LINE 10 hehe that work at least for me if you are disciplined in applying win and stop-loss targets.
Exact figures have to be determined by testing and adjustments after you start playing.
Lots of people make mistake by not sticking to the systems after experiencing few losses. You will always loose from time to time but what's crucial is win to loss ratio - such a cliche i know but its so important.
It makes hell of difference if you lose 60u and win 4 times 20u or i you lose 30u and win 4 times 20u on average. It will allow you to increase your bankroll if you choose to and pull faster ahead.
Just stick to the basics when you have a sound system and you have a good chance.

Regards

GLC · Oct 20, 07:08 PM 2011

Please understand that I am in no way suggesting that you give up learning roulette and just go to the casino and randomly toss chips onto the table and hope that you get lucky.

No. I think you should go armed with the best system you know. One that you've thorougly tested and are familiar with what to expect. Set a realistic win target and stop loss and play. This should give you an excellent chance to come out a winner. I think much better than just betting your birthdate on each spin or some other such gimmick.

vladir · Oct 20, 07:27 PM 2011

"There are no roulette systems that involve a mechanical bet selection with a flat bet or a progression that you can sit down at a roulette table every day for a few hours and beat the game on a consistent basis!!!!! "

I disagree, altough I have yet to found a complete system that does exactly that...
There are many systems I have seen here that are good, the problem is they are all incomplete. The key thing missing are entry and exit points, REAL and MEASURABLE entry/exit points. Nailling this correct, many systems present here would be profitable withouth progressions and would allow to beat the game in a consistent basis. Unfortunatly, I have yet to see one decent pair of entry/exit points for a single system, allowing you to skip the games you would have a higher probability of loosing and telling you wich games you would have a higher probability of winning...
(and not based on hit-and-run tactics, like win X ammount of units and call it a day, or loose X ammoung of units and call it a day...)

Cheers

GLC · Oct 20, 08:11 PM 2011

I like your point Vladir. How to determine the entry and exit point is the rub.

I used this technique using MrJ's even chance bet and did pretty well with it for quite a while but then I started losing and lost confidence in my ability to determine enter/exit points.

It's not such an easy thing to do.

Do you have some ideas?

GLC

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