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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 14, 06:05 AM 2011
@superman,  sorry to interrupt in here but do you have playtech spins file and if so would you be able to upload it so i can have a look on them..thank you :thumbsup:
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 14, 06:24 AM 2011
Maybe use a trigger?
Or different progression?
I would set the goal to aim for 200 units, seems ok for now
And a stop loss is a must
 
The live wheel performing worse than the RNG is quite suprising  :o
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 14, 06:31 AM 2011
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 14, 06:57 AM 2011
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What does that mean?
You suggest we use progression 111222333444....?
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 14, 09:16 AM 2011
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do you have playtech spins file

Sorry fella, I never keep old spin results, I don't see any point, for me anyway, I test each time with fresh spins against the game itself.
 
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The live wheel performing worse than the RNG is quite suprising

I don't think so, I've said it before and I'll say it again, RNG (with reputable casinos) is monitored therefore it MUST perform within certain criteria (what criteria we don't know), a real wheel has no memory and can perform how it likes, only unlevelness could make it perform differently and the casino would pick up on that instantly. A while ago I setup a bot for dublinbet and to test it I just told it to follow the last colour, well, guess what happened, RBRBRBRB if my memory serves me right it was about 16 flip flops, no zero inbetween just pure flip flop on a real wheel, at that point I think the most any RNG had given me was 12 but RNG always seems to chuck a zero in there somewhere or atleast a RR OR BB. So its not the first time I have personally seen horrifying results from a real wheel.
 
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Or different progression?

In the bots I use a calculation that uses the minimum bet amount to recoup into a plus, so on some bets you will only be 1 unit ahead on a win, there is no other way of progressing, it's the cheapest method, for those interested here it is
 
$progression_to_use = Floor(1 + $missing/(36 - $thesize))
 
$missing = how much you are behind, 36 is the payback for the specific bet, inside numbers in this case, 35+1 initial unit, $thesize is found by how many numbers the next bet will be on, so if you use this formula you will be betting the absolute minimum you need to to be ahead on the next win, Floor rounds it down, you can use ceiling to round it up but that would increase the bet size from the second bet onwards so floor is cheapest.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 10:07 AM 2011
Muchas gracias a MadMax por preparar el tracker para este estupendo programa, pero creo que tiene un pequeño error en el código. He metido estos números 14 30 19 30 11 13 5 12 30 31 33 6 14 22 27 29 16 29 24 3 4 18 20 11 y salen para empezar a jugar a los números 11 14 29 30, pero cuando introduzco el siguiente número de la permanencia que en este caso es el 6 y sin haber acertado ninguno de los 4 números que estábamos jugando, me quita de apostar el número 14 y me pone que juegue al 6, cuando debería añadirlo a los 4 anteriores números y estar jugando 5 números.
Luego he seguido añadiendo números (incluyendo el número 6 comentado anteriormente): 6 0 32 y cuando añado el siguiente número que es el 9, me quita el número 30 que estábamos jugándolo como si lo hubiéramos acertado.
Ya no he seguido haciendo más pruebas, por lo que no se si habrá algún fallo más. Estoy  usando la versión 1.02 del tracker.

Una pregunta: si sale un número 3 ó 4 veces en las primeras 24 bolas, ¿debemos jugarlo también como si solo hubiera aparecido 2 veces?.

Y perdonar el que escriba en castellano, pero soy de España y mi inglés no es nada bueno como para escribir en este foro.


Saludos
Jose Luis

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 11:38 AM 2011
As a few members have asked for import function and other progressions, I have recoded the tracker.
Gordonline helped me test the new tracker, and we both found no bug. Thanks Gordon for your work! It really helped me a lot!
If you find a bug, please let me know!
So, the tracker has 4 kinds of progression now, which you can choose at the beginning of the program:
-Turnerfeck´s original progression
-a kind of Martingale (similar to superman´s suggestion from his post above)
-a kind of d´Alembert (up 1 unit every 35 spins, on a win 35 steps back the progression)
-Flat bet
Under actions, you can now import and calculate your spins. With this spins, you can´t go on in the tracker. All spins entered before importing will be ignored. Also, after you have made an import, all previous inputs are gone. They are still shown in the marquee, but the program don´t use them any more! If you import a very large number of spins, it could take some time until you will be shown the result, because all calculationes are made before showing them.
I hope, these new tracker will help you.
MadMax

PS And thanks for all kind words about the tracker! :thumbsup:

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 12:12 PM 2011
Hi,


Tried downloading but it keeps trying to open in windows media player...?


Any ideas - your first version worked fine.


Regards,


Alf

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MadMax

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 12:29 PM 2011
Sorry Alf, I don´t know whats wrong with the rar.
But I have uploaded the tracker now to the download section. You can find it here:
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=91

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 12:38 PM 2011
Perfect now, thank you.


Regards,


Alf

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soggett

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 01:50 PM 2011
Thank you very much
 
p.s.
i just ran a test over 6000 and 10000 single zero live spins with the Martingale progression and I think we have  a winner:
 
6000 spins - ended +14756, lowest -242 on spin 69
10000 spins - ended +26161, lowest -10 - (that were good numbers for the system)
 
Only problem is that on occasions you'd have to bet like 150 units per number
If we limit that we would have some losses but i think overall a good profit
 
Thanks again
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 16, 03:11 PM 2011
Thanks MadMax . . . you are one of the most helpful members of this forum and you should be congratulated on making our testing easier, faster and more enjoyable.

Nick
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 17, 04:28 AM 2011
Thank you guys for the nice words!
@fuckdreams:
Por desgracia, yo no entiendo lo que quieres decir! Google Traductor me da sólo traducciones incomprensibles!
The translation, google translator gives me for your first post is not understandable. Maybe another member who understands spanish could explain it to me?

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 17, 04:35 AM 2011
Hi MadMax. I translated with Google Translator I wanted to tell you what, see if you can understand.


First post:
Thank you very much to MadMax to prepare the tracker for this great program, but I think it has a small error in the code. I got these numbers 14 30 19 30 11 13 5 12 30 31 33 6 14 22 27 29 16 29 24 3 4 18 20 11 and go to start playing the numbers 14 November 29 30, but when I type the following number permanence in this case is 6 and without any right of the 4 numbers we were playing, I bet removed from number 14 and I get to play at 6, when it should add it to the 4 previous issues and be playing 5 numbers.
Then I continued to add numbers (including the number 6 mentioned above): 6 0 32 and when I add the next number is 9, I removed the number 30 that we were playing it as if we had accurate.
I no longer followed by more tests, so if there is no more a failure. I'm using version 1.02 of the tracker.

One question: if you get a number 3 or 4 times in the first 24 balls, do we play also appeared as if there were only 2 times?.

And forgive you write in Castilian, but I'm from Spain and my English is not good enough to post in this forum.


Second Post:
MadMax thank you very much for this new version of your tracker, but as I said in my previous post, still the same mistakes I identified above.

regards
Jose Luis

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Dec 17, 05:46 AM 2011
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Maybe another member who understands spanish could explain it to me?

Or maybe fuckspanish and type in English as this is an English form, sorry for the language but it seems allowed these days!!
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!